More airline bailout talk

[Blaithin]

Do you need it or do you just want it because other people get it so it’s only fair you do too.

Life would be easier if I got the payments that some people do, but that doesn’t mean I need them.

[MBgrower]

The same amount that have been affected in the states that Trump has been throwing money at...

Which has distorted the market...

The airlines are just having a drought....why not analyze their books over a 5 year period and wait until they are done books and then average it out....

Why not an agristability like program to analyze the airlines issues?????

Use an Olympic average to calculate their losses? Take out the best and worst years and multiply by 0.7. I see no problems with that, afterall works for farmers? Agri retail employees who drive company pickups wouldnt know.

[tweety]

Hey tweety maybe two years of zero canola going to China.

Oh wait others are buying then mark it up and sell to China.

We lost 2 dollars a bushel but who’s counting.

**** I hate stupid farmers

We’re getting handed our lunch by other countries and we play dead. We’re so proud of nothing.

Canola not sold to China wasn't because of Covid.

Your costs are up because of all the data you provide to market more effectively.

Edit, should say mostly up. The rest is because they can, like lumber.

[farmaholic]

Use an Olympic average to calculate their losses? Take out the best and worst years and multiply by 0.7. I see no problems with that, afterall works for farmers? Agri retail employees who drive company pickups wouldnt know.

Isn't it.... calculate the o-limp-dick average....70% of that is the reference margin and you need to fall below 70% of the reference margin to trigger a payment?

[Oliver88]

Do you need it or do you just want it because other people get it so it’s only fair you do too.

Life would be easier if I got the payments that some people do, but that doesn’t mean I need them.

Depends on the farmer, some are going bankrupt/having an auction sale and the next guy is living large in his farm ghetto buying an electric powered SUV for 110k.

Every time a free trade deal is signed (USMCA, CETA, CPTPP) dairy farmers (Heavily based in Quebec/Ontario) get a negotiated payment.
USA has paid soybean, corn, wheat growers big $ to outlast the trade war with China.
It’s not unreasonable for grain farmers in Western Canada to want a payment similar to a competitor especially when our government causes a decrease in the canola income for several years due to incompetence.

[walterm]

All my life I've been hearing we can't compete with EU and USA subsidies. It was used as excuse for need to get rid of CWB it was used as reasoning g to implement cash advances not that those are bad things just that producer groups and ALL governments have known they are irritants and did nothing to deal with them or counter act them. ALL Governments.

[Blaithin]

Depends on the farmer, some are going bankrupt/having an auction sale and the next guy is living large in his farm ghetto buying an electric powered SUV for 110k.

Every time a free trade deal is signed (USMCA, CETA, CPTPP) dairy farmers (Heavily based in Quebec/Ontario) get a negotiated payment.
USA has paid soybean, corn, wheat growers big $ to outlast the trade war with China.
It’s not unreasonable for grain farmers in Western Canada to want a payment similar to a competitor especially when our government causes a decrease in the canola income for several years due to incompetence.

Not unreasonable no. But if you’re banking on it and feel it’s a necessity for your farm to continue to operate... then there’s probably a few other things you could be doing.

Like revamping your business plan.

Better things to spend energy on than being bitter that the government in one country pays for its farmers more than in your country. (A quick look at the most frequently brought up country and it’s subsidies could be linked to the fact that it’s population can’t afford even the cheapest of foods and relies heavily on food stamps. Inability to pay for a product leads to the gov paying for that product, leads to the lowest possible price offered for that product, leads to the gov having to subsidize the overhead it takes to produce that product that nobody can afford to pay for to cover. Vicious circle.) But hey, socialists are bad and raising minimum wage here won’t help anything.

[woodland]

Our yearlings are at least 30 cents less than a year ago. On a 1,000 lbs that’s $300 for easy math. Hope it doesn’t stay this way for long or else we’ll either be forced to go up to 1,000 head or 0 to make it pencil out. Got more for sale than a year ago but still going to net less dollars.

Air Canada and Westjet can go suck eggs as far as I’m concerned. They can send any un required help on EI, Trudeau Twoonies, whatever, and park planes and wait. My critters eat cash and grass every day and are very “perishable”.

Time for everyone to tighten the belt and ride it out. Sold some barley for next week pickup for $5.10 which is amazing in my books. The grain side of this operation looks golden right now.

Enjoy the ride. Hope most of us make it to the other side🍀

[bucket]

Woodland

anyone going to make you whole from year to year? Will the cattle insurance cover it? Agristability? or using your agri-invest?

And yet the airlines need money to make sure they pay their dividend. And their executives in a way that no one knows...

But hey some farmers want to go it alone while the market gets distorted by the Trump ad hoc payments and other countries doing things to make their farmers be an economic driver....

[Oliver88]

Not unreasonable no. But if you’re banking on it and feel it’s a necessity for your farm to continue to operate... then there’s probably a few other things you could be doing.

Like revamping your business plan.

Better things to spend energy on than being bitter that the government in one country pays for its farmers more than in your country.

I’m definitely not banking on help from a Trudeau government and in fact keep receiving tax increases in the form of carbon taxes.
Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity. I am on the same page as Bucket on this topic.

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

[Horse]

Interesting, most farmers would be very happy to have an employee with their Class 1A for only $22/hour.

Not everyone is or needs to be a class 1 driver,there are lots of other jobs.

[furrowtickler]

I’m definitely not banking on help from a Trudeau government and in fact keep receiving tax increases in the form of carbon taxes.
Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity. I am on the same page as Bucket on this topic.

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

One would think they should agree , especially if they truly understand who pays their wages ..... most don’t in the ag industry sadly though
Every ag Industry job comes from every square inch of dirt we farm or animal raised . It’s amazing how so many can’t understand that
But then again most don’t understand what wealth creation actually is . It has zero to do with , oh I worked 8 or 10 hours today and I get paid ... that has zero relation to wealth creation.

[Blaithin]

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

Obviously, as I don’t feel that way.

Yes in a utopian world it sounds good to have a “level playing field” with everyone.

But at what point has the playing field ever been level?

Why this infatuation with it becoming level now. Do you think the environment is going to be level? What you can produce is going to be level? What the local population is ok with is going to be level? That regulations are going to be level?

Is this one of those things where young adults get mocked for thinking life is unfair and wanting things made easier, all while watching adults go on about how unfair the global market economy is and our gov needs to give us stuff like other govs do.

[Blaithin]

One would think they should agree , especially if they truly understand who pays their wages ..... most don’t in the ag industry sadly though
Every ag Industry job comes from every square inch of dirt we farm or animal raised . It’s amazing how so many can’t understand that
But then again most don’t understand what wealth creation actually is . It has zero to do with , oh I worked 8 or 10 hours today and I get paid ... that has zero relation to wealth creation.

So because I’m employed in ag and have a herd of cows, I should automatically want subsidies or some sort of monetary support from the government?

Rely on the government for my wage?

No thanks. I don’t trust them enough for that.

Farm groups and govs should be pushing for better trade deals and production incomes, yes, absolutely. The cost of the product has to stay linked with the cost of production on all levels, not stay stuck in the 70s on certain levels. Government policies that are applied generically to encompass farms and rural life like it’s an urban centre, like the carbon tax, also need to be thought out differently so they aren’t such hobbles. But no, I don’t think the answer is get monthly cheque’s from the government or an annual lump sum support cheque or whatever.

[foragefarmer]

Oliver 88

"Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity."

"Equal playing field"

You whine and complain about government funding to Universities regarding certain degrees that don't fit your agenda , and now make a post on Agriville wanting a monthly government cheque.

I guess that's your idea of an "Equal Playing Field"