CEBA loan

[Grahamp]

I don’t get the controversy on Agriville over this loan program but it seems to be a raw nerve. Take the loan don’t take the loan it really doesn’t matter, it is a $40,000 loan where you pay back $30,000. I really doubt the government has mass audits planned if you pay it back. I assume most Canadian members on this board farm 2000 acres or more so you are grossing $750,000 plus. This program is really insignificant either way.

[helmsdale]

most Canadian members on this board farm 2000 acres or more so you are grossing $750,000 plus.

Wouldn't that be something else... 750K gross on 2000ac. If you pull half that on those acres I figure you're doing WELL "around here".

[blackpowder]

And behind a little here.

[Grahamp]

Really? You don’t think a 2000 acre farm grosses $375 an acre? 36 canola and 53 wheat? Half would be 18 canola and 26.5 wheat. Even the ghetto of the ghetto is not that bad. I don’t mean to sound condescending or be a jerk, I am genuinely surprised that is a figure people would disagree with.

[Guest]

And behind a little here.

here too

[Partners]

Timely rains can double the gross income in a hurry.
Lack of.. can cut in half.

[Tucker]

Wouldn't that be something else... 750K gross on 2000ac. If you pull half that on those acres I figure you're doing WELL "around here".

Maybe you are thinking net. I think that number is a little low for gross.

[farmaholic]

Maybe you are thinking net. I think that number is a little low for gross.

I wanna farm where you're farming.

[helmsdale]

Really? You don’t think a 2000 acre farm grosses $375 an acre? 36 canola and 53 wheat? Half would be 18 canola and 26.5 wheat. Even the ghetto of the ghetto is not that bad. I don’t mean to sound condescending or be a jerk, I am genuinely surprised that is a figure people would disagree with.

I'm not disagreeing that most do. 375/ac is an "all the stars align" kind of year in the special areas. I was simply saying, it sure would be neat to be able to reliably gross 375 an acre. We're alot closer to 200/ac here. And it can certainly be considerably less!

[Tucker]

I'm not disagreeing that most do. 375/ac is an "all the stars align" kind of year in the special areas. I was simply saying, it sure would be neat to be able to reliably gross 375 an acre. We're alot closer to 200/ac here. And it can certainly be considerably less!

Well that's a bit of a wakeup call for me. I budget for an average net of 200/ac. Maybe rocks and clay do have a place in ag.

[GDR]

Well that's a bit of a wakeup call for me. I budget for an average net of 200/ac. Maybe rocks and clay do have a place in ag.

Fully realize there are differences in areas but with the advances that have been made with direct seeding and crop inputs the gap has narrowed in the last 20yrs. I would think more areas would be closer in numbers to me than to Helmsdale's area (and I don't know how you do it Helmsdale)

With current prices all crop options here would gross easily over $500/ac this year, but 2000 acres would be above average acres due to limitations on growing season and pressure and pricing of land. When it comes to net just depends what is included for expenses in the calculation to compare. Bottomline is we are profitable this year, and that's a good thing. I do question the constant comments asking for government bailouts, this is not the year to ask, there will be years the numbers dont look so rosy.

[furrowtickler]

Really? You don’t think a 2000 acre farm grosses $375 an acre? 36 canola and 53 wheat? Half would be 18 canola and 26.5 wheat. Even the ghetto of the ghetto is not that bad. I don’t mean to sound condescending or be a jerk, I am genuinely surprised that is a figure people would disagree with.

That’s irrelevant, what’s the net ?
$375 is meaningless if costs are $350 plus
I know guys pushing $400

[furrowtickler]

Fully realize there are differences in areas but with the advances that have been made with direct seeding and crop inputs the gap has narrowed in the last 20yrs. I would think more areas would be closer in numbers to me than to Helmsdale's area (and I don't know how you do it Helmsdale)

With current prices all crop options here would gross easily over $500/ac this year, but 2000 acres would be above average acres due to limitations on growing season and pressure and pricing of land. When it comes to net just depends what is included for expenses in the calculation to compare. Bottomline is we are profitable this year, and that's a good thing. I do question the constant comments asking for government bailouts, this is not the year to ask, there will be years the numbers dont look so rosy.

Glad you were in an area with no hail , frost , drought or whatever. That’s a good thing . But a lot were not . Just keep that in perspective

[the big wheel]

Fully realize there are differences in areas but with the advances that have been made with direct seeding and crop inputs the gap has narrowed in the last 20yrs. I would think more areas would be closer in numbers to me than to Helmsdale's area (and I don't know how you do it Helmsdale)

With current prices all crop options here would gross easily over $500/ac this year, but 2000 acres would be above average acres due to limitations on growing season and pressure and pricing of land. When it comes to net just depends what is included for expenses in the calculation to compare. Bottomline is we are profitable this year, and that's a good thing. I do question the constant comments asking for government bailouts, this is not the year to ask, there will be years the numbers dont look so rosy.

Speak for yourself. Our area has been bombed with shit weather multiple years. The programs don’t work. Prior to that we had good and rhe area next was not good, each time the cycle hits in a bad way good farmers end up done selling out fcc and rhe likes that are supposed to understand only understand if your too big to fail or too stupid to farm they give you a loan to keep going even buy rhe other careful guys out. The programs fail. Nobody cares because someone else who is rhe fcc favourite keeps on going.

[Grahamp]

That’s irrelevant, what’s the net ?
$375 is meaningless if costs are $350 plus
I know guys pushing $400

Agreed but I wasn’t talking about farm profitability. I was simply making the point I was surprised the CEBA loan topic has been so contentious with it being such a small amount relative to the gross on the average farm in Saskatchewan. I think there has been more discussion on it than with CCGA advances going from 400k to 1 million.