Steinbach

[Blaithin]

Don't say you were not warned.

Works been making me wear masks for years. Maybe they’ve secretly been trying to convert me to Muslim as well.

Oh and I wear hats so someone must want me to be Jewish.

Guess that’s the thing about being a woman... there’s always someone who thinks they can tell us what we should be doing and wearing. Even if it’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

[agstar77]

Strange I never mentioned any specific group, just morons in general.

[Blaithin]

The least you could do is put on a Stetson and silk scarf if your gonna Ranch !

I have a few Wild Rags that I wear. Not a fan of Stetson’s though, need my ears covered. So actually I wear a bandana a lot. Which either means Hutterites or Ukrainians are trying to convert me I guess?

[dmlfarmer]

Danish study....

Yesterday marked the publication of a long-delayed trial in Denmark which hopes to answer that very question. The ‘Danmask-19 trial’ was conducted in the spring with over 3,000 participants, when the public were not being told to wear masks but other public health measures were in place. Unlike other studies looking at masks, the Danmask study was a randomized controlled trial – making it the highest quality scientific evidence.
Around half of those in the trial received 50 disposable surgical face masks, which they were told to change after eight hours of use. After one month, the trial participants were tested using both PCR, antibody and lateral flow tests and compared with the trial participants who did not wear a mask.

In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19. 1.8 per cent of those wearing masks caught Covid, compared to 2.1 per cent of the control group. As a result, it seems that any effect masks have on preventing the spread of the disease in the community is small.
Some people, of course, did not wear their masks properly. Only 46 per cent of those wearing masks in the trial said they had completely adhered to the rules. But even if you only look at people who wore masks ‘exactly as instructed’, this did not make any difference to the results: 2 per cent of this group were also infected.

I will ask you the same question I asked Jazz about this "study" but which he did not answer:

If this study is proof that masks are ineffective why has Denmark now mandated:
masks mandatory on public transportation
masks mandatory at airports
masks mandatory in bars and restaurants when patrons leave their table.

Furthermore why has the publication of the study been rejected by the major medical journals including the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine, and the American Medical Association Journal?

And why was the study of masks only conducted on people wearing masks outdoors that were already practicing social distancing. Shouldn't it looked at wearing masks indoors as well?

Even the report you linked to lists the following limitations.
Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.
Sounds like this study lacks a lot of controls

[Braveheart]

I have a few Wild Rags that I wear. Not a fan of Stetson’s though, need my ears covered. So actually I wear a bandana a lot. Which either means Hutterites or Ukrainians are trying to convert me I guess?

I'm impressed. I thought I'd be the only buckaroo here to know what a wild rag is.

[Blaithin]

I'm impressed. I thought I'd be the only buckaroo here to know what a wild rag is.

The cowboys got to me and converted me to Wild Rags and camp cooking long before the Chinese got to me with a virus to train me up for Burkas.

[beaverdam]

Masks are completely useless,

if your shopping and touching items, others have touched,,, and then you put your hand to your mask to adjust it, you just contaminated your mask, the very thing you're breathing through!

also if your asymptomatic, and your touching your mask,,, every item you touch is contaminated, every railing, every handle, every switch, every cart, every can of soup, etc...

If Pro Maskers, would spend as much time telling people not to touch their masks, , , as they do, telling others to wear a mask,,, we'd be getting somewhere.

But maskers who see others wearing a mask think they're safe,,, they just didn't see the other masker touch their mask around the corner, or in the other isle, 2 minutes earlier.

Just asking for a friend,,,, has anyone exhaled while wearing a mask outside in -20'C??? does the mask contain all the steam from your breath as you exhale??? the same thing happens when your walking around indoors, shopping in a store,,, even if you're buying essential items.

[jazz]

Just asking for a friend,,,, has anyone exhaled while wearing a mask outside in -20'C??? does the mask contain all the steam from your breath as you exhale??? the same thing happens when your walking around indoors, shopping in a store,,, even if you're buying essential items.

beaver, can you smell smoke through your mask? I dont see firefighters wearing them. Nor the people in the lower level biosecurity labs around the world.

Otherwise they would have been mandatory in ICUs, emergency rooms, maternity wards and cancer clinics long ago. I have had intimate experience with all those places and not once did anyone ever don a mask or ask me to wear one. In 2012 when a bad flu was ravaging calgary my new born got it. No masks at the childrens hospital even though dozens of kids came through with it.

If they have any protection at all, its miniscule and it only takes a single virus particle to infect another person.

[jazz]

And staffed 100 new hospitals how? Trump university grads or Jazz school of medicine. 4 years to train an RN and 8 for a doctor. Do you think the Covid will agree to wait that long before infecting any more people? Cause it sure didn't listen to you when you said repeatedly this summer there would be no more deaths in US and that it would go away after the election!

Good thing you arent making any decisions for the country dml.

There are hundreds of first responders and other suitably trained medical staff that can be enlisted to assist. Here during the last spike, all surgeries and other elective procedures were shuttered. Private practices were closed. By my estimation thats a lot of idle doctors that could be added to the cause, instead they went to their winter homes in AZ.

maybe your PM should announce a single new hospital now before we see this again. Does that make any sense to you at all? $350B buys a lot of healthcare. A billion dollars is a pretty nice hospital. Then we wouldnt have to worry about our hospitals every again. I see none even under consideration. No money into care homes either.

[helmsdale]

And staffed 100 new hospitals how? Trump university grads or Jazz school of medicine. 4 years to train an RN and 8 for a doctor. Do you think the Covid will agree to wait that long before infecting any more people? Cause it sure didn't listen to you when you said repeatedly this summer there would be no more deaths in US and that it would go away after the election!

I know that we are told over and over that the medical system is overwhelmed. Hell it's generally overwhelmed on a normal day to day operating basis. In a public system we ration. That's just the way it is.

Couple thoughts:
1) not every MD program is 8 years. UofC for example is 2 years of classtime, 1 additional year of basically in the field apprenticeship. One does not necessarily have to complete an undergrad degree, and it certainly doesn't have to be anything related to the medical field. So... If there was a concerted effort in this country, there could be a swell of doctors and RN's at least partially trained that could have been coming online here shortly had we planned for something like this from the onset.

2) Not every doctor nor nurse is working full time. There is slack in the system. Part time could be brought up to full time, full time to overtime, and retired or unemployed(for whatever reason) brought back into the system.

3)MD's especially in Alberta were already read the riot act in March. They were told that they could be shunted out of their local communities to wherever they were needed in the province. I don't think this has happened yet, but the possibility certainly exists.

4)Jazz's comment on 100 new hospitals is not entirely incorrect. While it would be impossible to build in any sort of short order 100 new Foothills/South Center/RUH style hospitals, I'm certain that at least a portion of the $350B could have been put into ensuring we had the necessary equipment to set up field hospitals in cities/towns which had surges that were blowing past traditional hospitals to deal with them. Sports stadiums are sitting empty.

Now you can pick all those 4 thoughts apart into how implementation of any of that would be impossible, but isn't it the job of our elected ones to figure out ways to make these things possible? $350B solves alot of short term problems...

I wonder what it is our elected officials did the last 10 months? Saying over and over again, "we're all in this together" is only going to get us so far. Children need the instruction and interaction that school provides to prepare them for the post-covid world that they are going to inherit. Working aged people need to be able to provide for themselves through gainful employment. Retired people need to be able to live out their retirement years as happily and healthily as possible. Those nearing the grave need to be able to live their final years out with dignity. This ALL should have been possible! Instead we seem to spend more time fortifying our own little ideological castles and screaming at "the others" that it's all their fault as to why we cant live a decent life.

[fjlip]

Masks are completely useless,

if your shopping and touching items, others have touched,,, and then you put your hand to your mask to adjust it, you just contaminated your mask, the very thing you're breathing through!

also if your asymptomatic, and your touching your mask,,, every item you touch is contaminated, every railing, every handle, every switch, every cart, every can of soup, etc...

If Pro Maskers, would spend as much time telling people not to touch their masks, , , as they do, telling others to wear a mask,,, we'd be getting somewhere.

But maskers who see others wearing a mask think they're safe,,, they just didn't see the other masker touch their mask around the corner, or in the other isle, 2 minutes earlier.

Just asking for a friend,,,, has anyone exhaled while wearing a mask outside in -20'C??? does the mask contain all the steam from your breath as you exhale??? the same thing happens when your walking around indoors, shopping in a store,,, even if you're buying essential items.

EXACTLY what i see everywhere and on TV....our wonderful PM, Dr's, narrative edited from DON'T TOUCH!

So if YOU wear improperly, YOU might be spreading. If aerosol, it's everywhere people are anyway, masks or not. Keep your immunity up, eat, sleep, shut the media off.

[shtferbrains]

Anybody see a cell phone video posted of the Steinbach hopital showing emty wards when they said they were over capacity?
I never saw it but hear people talking about it.
Might be an urban myth.