Pallister Steals Xmas

[jazz]

There are people without Covid that still require hospital beds and icu So your calculations are meaningless. Every Covid case in hospital is a bed that was not required a year ago before covid

Have you ever been to an ICU dml? In Canada? They are always full and on the weekends they are even fuller when the drunks druggies and general retards get it on friday and sat night.

My parents have both personally waited for 10 hrs on the weekend while they attended to drunk after drunk after drunk coming through. Sometimes there are more cops in the emerg than patients. This is Canadian health care.

Never forget the time I took my daughter in and they were triaging her and another patient at the counter.

Sir what is you emergency tonight, my daughter had a deep burn on her foot. The person beside me had to name their reason for visiting as drinking 2-40oz bottles of vodka that day.

We both waited.

These govts have had decades to build up some excess in the health system and they never do. Retard in cheif Trudeau shoveled 400B into a black hole and gave zero to health care except for some paper masks. Apparently foreign students are more of a priority than covid patients.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There are people without Covid that still require hospital beds and icu So your calculations are meaningless. Every Covid case in hospital is a bed that was not required a year ago before covid

That statement is completely false. Every flu season ICU beds are required. Often to capacity.
This year, so far, regular flu is insignificant so all of those beds that normally would be used For normal flu patients are available.

[dmlfarmer]

That statement is completely false. Every flu season ICU beds are required. Often to capacity.
This year, so far, regular flu is insignificant so all of those beds that normally would be used For normal flu patients are available.

Don't know about Canada but the US flu season is typically Dec through February. It really hasn't started yet and the ER and hospitals are full with out any flu rush yet. Again, Covid does not replace flu anymore than it replaces heart attacks, cancer, births, and any other reason that hospital beds have been needed in the past. Covid needs are above and beyond normal hospital requirements

[dmlfarmer]

Have you ever been to an ICU dml? In Canada? They are always full and on the weekends they are even fuller when the drunks druggies and general retards get it on friday and sat night.

My parents have both personally waited for 10 hrs on the weekend while they attended to drunk after drunk after drunk coming through. Sometimes there are more cops in the emerg than patients. This is Canadian health care.

Never forget the time I took my daughter in and they were triaging her and another patient at the counter.

Sir what is you emergency tonight, my daughter had a deep burn on her foot. The person beside me had to name their reason for visiting as drinking 2-40oz bottles of vodka that day.

We both waited.

These govts have had decades to build up some excess in the health system and they never do. Retard in cheif Trudeau shoveled 400B into a black hole and gave zero to health care except for some paper masks. Apparently foreign students are more of a priority than covid patients.

Governments from both parties have run deficits for decades and conservatives especially call for balanced budgets, lower taxes, less government spending, fewer government employes and all of a sudden you are saying governments should have built excess medical capacity? Get your story straight Jazz.

[helmsdale]

There are people without Covid that still require hospital beds and icu So your calculations are meaningless. Every Covid case in hospital is a bed that was not required a year ago before covid

That was the bloody point!
Again...

1) Its amazing how little slack we have in this system! (Those meaningless calculations show the lack of slack).
2) it's amazing that weve spent 381 billion dollars!
3) it's amazing the lack of healthcare capacity hasn't been deemed worthy of addressing with a good chunk of that deficit financing.
4) it's amazing that were considering further national programs when we are barely able to run what we have!

[farmaholic]

......even from the center right.

Resident AV "labelled" left didn't even come down on him.

Resident AV "labelled" right aren't even critical of this display, but aren't happy with the decision.

You can see and feel the emotion, but don't let emotion cloud pragmatic judgement.

This is an absolutely "no win" situation to be in, it's impossible to please everyone all of the time.

I think enough time has passed to know this isn't as virulent to the majority of the population as authorities thought it "could" have been. Is taking measures to slow transmission to most vulnerable such a bad thing ? At least till vaccines(questionable by some) become widely available to slow transmission. .....and life gets back to a sense of normality....if that is even possible after all the unintended consequences.....

It is a wreck on many levels, would have the anti-everything conspirators been happier if nothing had been done? And if someone near and dear to them died after contracting Covid even though they had "underlying" comorbidities.....would their stance be exactly the same as it is today? Don't be a hypocrite.

Once again......people need to step back from their "extreme" opinions before they go over their respective edge.

It's not a death sentence for the majority of the population
No one ever said wearing a mask is 100% effective against transmission
We can't stomp this out

Doesn't any of the anti-everything crowd take preventative measures to keep their equipment in the field, keep their out buildings from rotting into the ground, take insurance for loss mitigation?

I've got Covid fatigue, and I'm not holed up in the basement wearing a mask showering in sanitizer. I'm out and about.
But it is moving closer and closer, I'm beginning to hear of people I know contracting it, it is probably only a matter of time before someone in my nuclear family contracts it. Anyone I know die yet? ...nope. Anyone I know who probably couldn't handle it very well....yup.

[helmsdale]

At least in ab, it's not as if those hospital and ICU beds would be sitting idle if there was no covid. ALOT of those beds have been freed up by sidelining surgeries that require ICU follow up, and general beds are being freed up in high impact areas by shipping patients to other outlying hospitals.

[fjlip]

AB doing fine...

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Don't know about Canada but the US flu season is typically Dec through February. It really hasn't started yet and the ER and hospitals are full with out any flu rush yet. Again, Covid does not replace flu anymore than it replaces heart attacks, cancer, births, and any other reason that hospital beds have been needed in the past. Covid needs are above and beyond normal hospital requirements

Do you just disagree for the sake of disagreement?

[checking]

I agree Jazz, the numbers don’t support the hysteria at all. Some Covid survivors say they have lost their sense of smell, how serious is that? Just askin.

If you are sitting next to Rudy, you wish. Just sayin.

[malleefarmer]

Australia still attempting to go down elimination path.

Rightly or wrongly.

Many positives with the strategy many negatives.

Nsw most populace state went 33 days without a case, headline news accross tv last night they recorded another case.

In from overseas as is the case often.

Aussies are just sick of covid want it gone banished.

We’re all in this together mindset.

Anger hysteria fear complacency all been replaced with common sense in my opinion.

That’s take on our situation.

Our state 4 deaths 562 cases.

Population around 3 million.

Been locked down twice once for about 8 weeks then two weeks ago super strict strictest in Australia lasted for 4 days kinda false alarm.

[katoe]

jazz by the way your wording reads it would seem that you are confusing intensive care units with emergency wards

[LEP]

Don't know about Canada but the US flu season is typically Dec through February. It really hasn't started yet and the ER and hospitals are full with out any flu rush yet. Again, Covid does not replace flu anymore than it replaces heart attacks, cancer, births, and any other reason that hospital beds have been needed in the past. Covid needs are above and beyond normal hospital requirements

So you are saying you don't live in Canada? Makes sense.

[jazz]

jazz by the way your wording reads it would seem that you are confusing intensive care units with emergency wards

All admissions start in the emergency ward. if its chock full of idiots, thats still less beds for regular folks needing urgent care.

A regular hospital should have 1000 beds and many can be converted to temp ICUs. The only specialized equipment being used are ventilators and we supposedly ordered thousands of them in the spring so they should be in a closet somewhere unless Justy lost them too.

[shtferbrains]

$1.15 billion for ventilators
acording to a CBC report this morning.

Must be still in the box if we have no more ICU capacity.

Maybe we are down the list for delivery.

Is that about the value of 2 million acres of canola???
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