Where are all the $$$'s going?

[bucket]

There is a case to be made for targeting more support to small and medium sized farms. But taxpayers are not interested in lining the pockets of very large farms with subsidies that they don't need.

If the goal is to support agriculture, rural communities and create economic growth, then more farmers are better than less farmers.

Government policy has been to consolidate farms for years if not decades....until it doesnt work....and it won't soon...

Look at large farms that need government help for TFW....continuing on the path will create problems government will be expected to pick up the tab...

Here is some wide angle thinking.....irrigation is supposed to help the economy but it only is viable as long as the government is picking up the infrastructure bill and the operating expenses....so that those irrigating can go do MUD deals at dealerships ....it is phucking crazy...

Buy Local is the current battle cry for governments to help with the pandemic....problem is...there is no such thing anymore and it costs too much to buy local....when the difference on four 4 liter jugs of milk can pay for the gas to go to costco an 1 1/2 away there is something wrong....and then to pay for the trip home on the difference on pet food....its crazy...

Politicians are so far out of touch while they consolidate everything to larger centres to make governing easier...One health district....they look at costs ....its easier to shut down local hospitals to get people to go to the city for their appointments....until it isn't...

communities could be isolated with proper measures but its impossible now because of consolidation...

Now add up the real costs of consolidation when you cant control a pandemic effectively because for years the government has been removing local services with their policy ...government of all stripes should be held account for what they have done by never looking at the costs by playing devil's advocate...


When delivering a load of grain to a terminal has to be done in isolation because of the area the terminal covers....and the costs associated with it...something so simple has become complicated because of consolidation...

[chuckChuck]

Market forces and economics have driven a lot of this change. Many politicians including Liberals and Conservatives have been supporting the hollowing out of rural communities.

There area lot of forces at work and you can't blame politicians for it all. And I dont see much support from farmers when it comes to supporting more government intervention when it comes to pushing back against corporate power.

[bucket]

Market forces and economics have driven a lot of this change. Many politicians including Liberals and Conservatives have been supporting the hollowing out of rural communities.

There area lot of forces at work and you can't blame politicians for it all. And I dont see much support from farmers when it comes to supporting more government intervention when it comes to pushing back against corporate power.

The first bolded comment Market forces.....no such thing big companies live on the government tit and we dont have an actual market in Canada...in farming...if anyone thinks we do ....you are more of a wing nut than I am...

the second bolded comment....Until things don't make sense to some of the BTOs.....who are they going to call???

You see it already the writing on the wall when 40BPA canola is still driving larger farms quietly to RBA in a downsizing or a complete sell out...You can't send 4 550hp tractors to auction from a 3500 acre farm...

Look at guys like Bill Boyd....FFS...the guy scammed money from the government and used government contacts to only end up selling out....with well lined pockets....

Unless the goal of farmers should be to line your pockets and sell out.....

Disclaimer....the only guys with better pictures and videos than supply management used to blackmail politicians are irrigation farmers....my guess is they photoshopped the dairy guys photos....hahaha

[Rareearth]

Chuck and bucket please define a large farm.

Could it be owned and rented land over 2,500 acres ?

[bucket]

Chuck and bucket please define a large farm.

Could it be owned and rented land over 2,500 acres ?

I think farms over 5000 acres just become multiple of that ....if you are 5000 acres the next jump might as well be to right to 10000 ...the equipment and labour dictates the acres...then with the neighbours seeing the growth of your operation it quickly becomes 15000 acres...

Within a farm family these days 10000 would be a large farm but when you break it down to the principles in the operation its typically 5000 acres...

Figure the answer from that ...pretty convoluted....thats a political answer if I have ever written one....just trying it out....

Bottom line its a tough question to answer....

[Rareearth]

It’s a very important question for context.

Romantic notions of child hold growing up with grandma and grandpa, large family get togethers at Christmas, etc
Vs.
Parents (you and I types) today, where children are not married, no children (or grand children), LGBQ, etc

Things change, like it or not,

[burnt]

It’s a very important question for context.

Romantic notions of child hold growing up with grandma and grandpa, large family get togethers at Christmas, etc
Vs.
Parents (you and I types) today, where children are not married, no children (or grand children), LGBQ, etc

Things change, like it or not,

Sounds like you are looking for a definition of chaos.

[Jordy2323]

If all these lockdowns have been to prevent the health care system from being overrun, why hasn't hardly a single dollar gone to expanding services?

https://twitter.com/autsema1/status/1332917525676498945 https://twitter.com/autsema1/status/1332917525676498945

To date the Canadian government has spent about $300 billion to pay for the lock--down. The
provincial governments have added their own $100 billion to the fray. With tight lockdowns all
over Canada, these astronomical numbers will continue to rise.
As we have repeatedly been told, lock-downs were implemented solely on the premise that our
hospitals would be swamped otherwise. Let us examine this claim.
The cost to build a 120 bed general hospital, complete with an ER is about $210 million
(https://www.fixr.com/costs/build-hospital).
If instead of closing businesses and paying people to sit at home, we had used haif of this
$400 billion to build hospitals, we could have built 952 new hospitals. That equates to 17 new
hospitals in every city with a population more than 100k. And it would have provided Canada
with an extra 114,240 hospital beds.
If we had used the remaining $200 billion to pay for the cleaning staff, secretaries, nurses and
doctors needed to work in these new hospitals, we could have hired two million people, and
paid them an average income of $100,000 per year. Two million people working in 952 hospitals
means there would be 2,100 staff per hospital. Assuming a 40 hour work week, that would be
4.2 hospital staff on duty 24/7 for every new bed.
We could have started this massive project back in February and finished most of the hospitals
by now. Likewise, we could have used the summer to train most of the new staff that would be
needed to work the hospitals.
Had we done this, unemployment would have been zero, the economy would have been
booming, and people would feel great for having done something useful for the cause. As a
bonus, we would have 952 extra hospitals for any future emergency.
All of this, of course, would have been massive overkill. Most, if not all, of the two million
staff would have stood idle, waiting for the flood of patients. Notwithstanding the fact that
previous to 2020 our hospitals were already nearly swamped, how many hospitals in Canada
have actually been swamped by covid patients? Furthermore, if the governments had been as
concerned about swamped hospitals as they claim, why didn't they take steps to transform
our hockey rinks and community centers into hospitals? And why weren't they offering and
promoting crash courses all summer for would-be medical assistants? After all, it is no secret
that the average Canadian was fully expecting a second covid wave this fall. There is a strange
and condemning silence here. It forces one to ask: Is the government really that worried about
hospitals being swamped?
So instead of building new hospitals and paying good salaries to people, or instead of turning
community centers into overflow hospitals, we locked down our country, incurred a $400
billion debt, and gained nothing. Actually, we lost much. The economy has tanked. Depression
and stress and poverty and suicide and drugs and abuse have skyrocketed. Worst of all, we
have accomplished absolutely nothing in the fight against covid, as the daily numbers testify.
Lockdown is a useless and destructive option. It should never have been tried. It should now be
abandoned immediately.

[Rareearth]

Unfortunately government provides stimulus, incentives , cash , loans etc to get re-elected

Vs.

Doing what’s is right.

Infrastructure is a true investment, for all taxpayers. Creating jobs, taxation, for leveraged Canadian economic growth.