Covid is not just about deaths

[dmlfarmer]

Two things arrived in my email this morning. Not sure who wrote either. But they are worth thinking about.

How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down Canada?
There are two problems with this question,
1) It neglects the law of large numbers, and
2) It assumes that one of two things happen; you die or you are 100% fine.
Canada has a population of 37,742,154. If one percent of the population dies, that's 377,422 people dead.
Three hundred thousand people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths.
The second bit is that people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives
- 10 will have permanent lung damage
- 3 will have strokes
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function
So now all of a sudden, that "but it's only 1% fatal!" becomes:
- 377,422 dead
- 7,171,009 hospitalized
- 6,793,588 people with permanent heart damage
- 3,774,215 people with permanent lung damage
- 1,132,265 people with strokes
- 754,843 people with muscle weakness
- 754,843 people with loss of cognitive function
This is what the folks who keep on about "only 1% dead, what's the big deal?" don't get.
It's not just 1% dead. Imagine the cost to our country, Imagine the clogged hospitals. Imagine all the loved ones who die or suffer health effects the rest of their lives.
So please:
- wear your mask (and OVER your nose and mouth please)
- wash your hands regularly
- stay 2m apart.
And.....This doesn’t mean live in fear but live with respect for the health and well being for others. Mask on, buy local and practice kindness.



So, today, Alberta lost more people to Covid than the Humboldt bus crash.
Remember when that crash happened? People cried. They put hockey sticks on their porch. They donated millions to a GoFundMe. They demanded justice, and stricter regulations for truck drivers. They put stickers on their vehicles in remembrance and support.
But today - we lost more people than that crash. And what happened? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. No outcry, no mourning, no group remembrance, no GoFundMe, no outpouring of support. Any cries for stricter regulations are met with anti-mask protests. Servers who try to enforce masking are assaulted. People who want to protect others are insulted or attacked. Our health workers speak out, just to be insulted by our govt. Our provincial govt turns a blind eye.
If we loaded those bodies onto a hockey bus, would people pay attention then? Would the Alberta govt pay attention? What will it take, for people to start paying attention, and take this virus seriously?
I don't know. I am so sad, so discouraged. These lives deserved better. They deserved more than "oh well, they had comorbidities *shrug*" These lives deserve more than "hey, the death rate is only ___ (insert rate quoted of the day)%, that isn't that bad." These lives deserve more than "hey, they were over the age of 82, so they lived a good life anyway."
I am so tired of the excuses, of the dismissal of these deaths. These are people who were important to someone, and who are missed. These are people who made a difference in someone's life. They deserve better than "oh well" when they die. And EVERYONE in Alberta needs to step up, needs to call out these idiot anti-maskers and partiers and those who refuse to distance. We could have beat this months ago, but ignorant selfishness has prevented that. Enough is enough.
A busload. Just today. A busload. Think on that. End rant.

[agstar77]

South Dakota is an example of what happens when you don't follow best practices. They are sending covid patients home with O2 because beds are full.

[TASFarms]

ThoughtSouth Dakota was doing ok. They had a run up but have it going down now. Where are these news clips saying it’s bad bad bad ?

[TASFarms]

South Dakota had Chinese workers from China that brought the disease with them in Feb. That state has been dealing with it longer than Manitoba has

[Jordy2323]

More cherry picking the numbers to induce more fear. All those scary numbers are predicated on assuming the whole population of canada will get the rona.
Well then we'll also use that same premise:

0.03363% of the population has died
0.06389% of the population have been hospitalized,
0.01241% of the population has required icu

Pretty scary numbers

[jazz]

Hmm, average age of the broncos bus passengers were about 18. Average age of covid patients is the inverse, 81.

The broncos kids didnt die, they were killed. Big difference.

And 83 yr olds going into the hospital with already compromised heart, lungs and partial dementia and we are expecting them to come out in better shape afterward? My dad has asthma but in overall very good health, but he has no illusions of being able to toss square bales ever again.

When somebody 83 undergoes any extended hospital visit or procedure, they dont come out better than before. They dont even come out the same as before. Ask any older person who has had chemo or a heart procedure.

And if the person sending that lefty chain letter needs a wake up call, 300 babies will be aborted today in canada.

Wheres the outrage?

[Jordy2323]

South Dakota is an example of what happens when you don't follow best practices. They are sending covid patients home with O2 because beds are full.

You're just reading headlines again. South Dakota is a horrible poster child for you. Their cases are dropping, Canada's increasing. And who has had the tighter restrictions?

South Dakota death rate: 1.2908%
Canada's death rate: 3.050%

[Partners]

[seldomseen]

South Dakota has the lowest unemployment numbers at 3.6%

[Partners]

Why do DR and nurse who wear a full hasmat suit at work, leave work and go shopping with a regular mask?
If so deadly shouldn't they be scared and continue to wear their full suits to show the public?
Keep thinking people..

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Does the title of this thread give anyone else deja-vu to the global warming alarmist tactics?
When the world refused to warm to accommodate their alarmist claims, they had to rebrand the failed theory to climate change and just throw every imaginable crisis scenario at the wall in hopes that one of them might eventually stick(none have yet).
Both are based on the same type of disproven computer models.

Both are being propagated by the same radical left charlatans, with the stated goal of remaking society.
None of that in anyway diminishes the very real threat of a communicable disease or makes it a fraud or a scam, But they would have a lot more credibility if they didn't follow this exact same failed playbook, Using the same Discredited characters

[Hamloc]

Two things arrived in my email this morning. Not sure who wrote either. But they are worth thinking about.

How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down Canada?
There are two problems with this question,
1) It neglects the law of large numbers, and
2) It assumes that one of two things happen; you die or you are 100% fine.
Canada has a population of 37,742,154. If one percent of the population dies, that's 377,422 people dead.
Three hundred thousand people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths.
The second bit is that people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives
- 10 will have permanent lung damage
- 3 will have strokes
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function
So now all of a sudden, that "but it's only 1% fatal!" becomes:
- 377,422 dead
- 7,171,009 hospitalized
- 6,793,588 people with permanent heart damage
- 3,774,215 people with permanent lung damage
- 1,132,265 people with strokes
- 754,843 people with muscle weakness
- 754,843 people with loss of cognitive function
This is what the folks who keep on about "only 1% dead, what's the big deal?" don't get.
It's not just 1% dead. Imagine the cost to our country, Imagine the clogged hospitals. Imagine all the loved ones who die or suffer health effects the rest of their lives.
So please:
- wear your mask (and OVER your nose and mouth please)
- wash your hands regularly
- stay 2m apart.
And.....This doesn’t mean live in fear but live with respect for the health and well being for others. Mask on, buy local and practice kindness.



So, today, Alberta lost more people to Covid than the Humboldt bus crash.
Remember when that crash happened? People cried. They put hockey sticks on their porch. They donated millions to a GoFundMe. They demanded justice, and stricter regulations for truck drivers. They put stickers on their vehicles in remembrance and support.
But today - we lost more people than that crash. And what happened? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. No outcry, no mourning, no group remembrance, no GoFundMe, no outpouring of support. Any cries for stricter regulations are met with anti-mask protests. Servers who try to enforce masking are assaulted. People who want to protect others are insulted or attacked. Our health workers speak out, just to be insulted by our govt. Our provincial govt turns a blind eye.
If we loaded those bodies onto a hockey bus, would people pay attention then? Would the Alberta govt pay attention? What will it take, for people to start paying attention, and take this virus seriously?
I don't know. I am so sad, so discouraged. These lives deserved better. They deserved more than "oh well, they had comorbidities *shrug*" These lives deserve more than "hey, the death rate is only ___ (insert rate quoted of the day)%, that isn't that bad." These lives deserve more than "hey, they were over the age of 82, so they lived a good life anyway."
I am so tired of the excuses, of the dismissal of these deaths. These are people who were important to someone, and who are missed. These are people who made a difference in someone's life. They deserve better than "oh well" when they die. And EVERYONE in Alberta needs to step up, needs to call out these idiot anti-maskers and partiers and those who refuse to distance. We could have beat this months ago, but ignorant selfishness has prevented that. Enough is enough.
A busload. Just today. A busload. Think on that. End rant.

Why do you single out Alberta? Every province has people passing away. Is it just because you don’t like Jason Kennedy’s politics? Various levels of mask mandates and lockdowns across the country, one thing in common cases rising in every province!

[dmlfarmer]

Why do you single out Alberta? Every province has people passing away. Is it just because you don’t like Jason Kennedy’s politics? Various levels of mask mandates and lockdowns across the country, one thing in common cases rising in every province!

I did not single out Alberta. My only words were the first 3 sentences in the post in which I said: "Two things arrived in my email this morning. Not sure who wrote either. But they are worth thinking about." All the rest is just a copy and paste of emails I received which gives someone else's perspective on Covid that I found interesting.

A few months ago I compared the number of people who died from Covid to the 2 crashes of 737 Max jets and found at that death loss back then from Covid was equivalent to more than 6 - 737 crashes a day. The loss of 2 plane loads of passengers shut down the entire 737 fleet for going on a year and a half now, yet there are people who won't even wear a mask to help slow a novel virus that is far more deadly than those two crashes. And this forum got upset with me comparing the two causes of death.

Would you make you feel better instead of someone else comparing bus crashes or plane crashes we compare the Covid response to the response to the bringing down of the world trade center? The US went to war over those deaths yet the US is losing the same number of people every two days from Covid as they lost in the World trade center. And the war being mounted is by fanatics claiming their rights are being denied by making them wear masks.

[agstar77]

You're just reading headlines again. South Dakota is a horrible poster child for you. Their cases are dropping, Canada's increasing. And who has had the tighter restrictions?

South Dakota death rate: 1.2908%
Canada's death rate: 3.050%

Manitoba with greater population one third deaths . Fair comparison.

[GDR]

Why do you single out Alberta? Every province has people passing away. Is it just because you don’t like Jason Kennedy’s politics? Various levels of mask mandates and lockdowns across the country, one thing in common cases rising in every province!

Everyone likes picking on us Hamloc but in fairness, currently it looks like we are doing the worst in the country. 100 in ICU out of a current total of 175 beds and 501 more in other hospitalized care. Getting some pretty high numbers now in our local towns.