Bring on the vaccine

[agstar77]

The difference is you can die from the virus.

[jazz]

The difference is you can die from the virus.

Wait until some of the 80 yr olds get the vaccine. These are predominately health care workers and frontline people. Probably a bit younger than 80 I would say.

And here is another article citing a chinese study of 10M people that showed that asymptotic spread is not rare, its non existent.

https://www.aier.org/article/asymptomatic-spread-revisited/ Asymptomatic Spread Revisited

Just like I told everyone before. Virus transmission happens from close up, sustained intimate contact with the infected, not passing someone in the store.

Hasnt anyone looked after a kid with the flu and you didnt get it? I had 3 kids with it last winter, took care of all of them and my wife and I didnt get it and neither did any of their grandparents.

[Guest]

Since when have knee problems or back problems been contagious Burnt? Hospital capacity has been dropping long before Trudeau so why is it just his problem?

Because he spent more than all the PM’s put together

[sumdumguy]

And because he loves to benefit from hoaxes.

[jazz]

Maybe pharma companies have lobbied themselves absolved from vaccine adverse effects and cannot be sued.

But govts sure the hell can be.

The charter and constitutional challenges added to the class action vaccine lawsuits are going to make the deficits look like childs play.

I imagine Tony Merchant and others are burning the midnight oil.

In a few yrs you will see advertisements on late night tv; Did you take the moderna vaccine in 2020? You may be entitled to significant compensation. Call law office XYZ today.

If a guy can win a case on glyphosate giving him cancer, the vaccine is going to be a slam dunk.

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE=jazz;479774]Some hospitals are suspending vaccines in their staff now and the estimates of adverse reactions from the 2nd shot when it comes could be upwards of 20%.

[Thank you. I note that you left out the next statement from the WSJ article that says: "Most didn't require medical care, Dr. Clark said, adding that the CDC is studying the reports for more details."

MSNBC also ran a story saying "Trump Covid vaccine czar says side effects ‘significantly noticeable’ in 10% to 15% of recipients" but also noted "The side effects, which come from the vaccine shots, can last up to a day and a half, said Dr. Moncef Slaoui, who is leading the Trump administration’s Covid-19 vaccine program Operation Warp Speed. The people who’ve suffered from side effects have reported redness and pain at the injection site as well as fever, chills, muscle aches and headaches, he said, adding most people have no noticeable side effects."

I prefer risking a day and a half of discomfort over the risks from getting Covid so not worried about vaccine risks.

[Austrian Economics]

I'll start out by stating that I'll take the Covid vaccine when it becomes available. There appears to be little risk to one's health. But I would like to point out something I've noticed about the arguments surrounding this issue.

Whenever someone questions the health risk of getting a vaccine, they are usually told that the risks are quite acceptable and that there is no need to worry. After all, risk assessment is a part of living.

But if anyone questions the usefulness of regulations governing the spread of Covid, generally we are told that no one has any right to independently assess the risk of any activity prohibited by the authorities, and need to be censured for thinking that they have any right to exercise their own judgement in that regard. Hence, the ludicrous spectacle of kids being threatened with tasering and handcuffed for skating on an open air rink with "too many" people.

The lock down advocates can't have this both ways. You can't strive to work people up into a mental frenzy over whether or not their recent contact with another human being is going to literally kill them, and then tell them to "chill out" when they project that same state of worry onto the issue of a vaccine. You are creating a society in which worrying is now elevated into a 24/7 phenomenon about life or death choices with very little in between. You can't expect to turn that phenomenon on and off at will.

[jazz]

You can't expect to turn that phenomenon on and off at will.

Well dml just did that exact thing. Spent month overhyping this disease that would have a 99.9% survival rate in his age group and now totally chill about a new vaccine and its side effects which are apparently as bad as actually having covid. And apparently you can still spread covid after you have been vaccinated. No questions. Its all good.

Thats called social conditioning where I come from and looks like it works.

I will wait at least a year before I get it. I want to see the results of the phase 4 human trials ongoing right now.

[GDR]

I'll start out by stating that I'll take the Covid vaccine when it becomes available. There appears to be little risk to one's health. But I would like to point out something I've noticed about the arguments surrounding this issue.

Whenever someone questions the health risk of getting a vaccine, they are usually told that the risks are quite acceptable and that there is no need to worry. After all, risk assessment is a part of living.

But if anyone questions the usefulness of regulations governing the spread of Covid, generally we are told that no one has any right to independently assess the risk of any activity prohibited by the authorities, and need to be censured for thinking that they have any right to exercise their own judgement in that regard. Hence, the ludicrous spectacle of kids being threatened with tasering and handcuffed for skating on an open air rink with "too many" people.

The lock down advocates can't have this both ways. You can't strive to work people up into a mental frenzy over whether or not their recent contact with another human being is going to literally kill them, and then tell them to "chill out" when they project that same state of worry onto the issue of a vaccine. You are creating a society in which worrying is now elevated into a 24/7 phenomenon about life or death choices with very little in between. You can't expect to turn that phenomenon on and off at will.

Difference between your 2 ideas is the vaccination risk is to the individual the following or not of the regulations is a risk to the population, not the same scenario. I can make a decision for myself right or wrong but is it right to make a poor decision that may affect you?

[agstar77]

Well over 500000 Americans vacci ated. Number of deaths from vax=0.