-35 with wind chill. All liberals should be outside with nothing made from Oil.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The situation has improved drastically since my first post.
Alberta's solar peaked out at 1/4 of its nameplate capacity very briefly on the warm sunny afternoon.

I hope the memories of that brief bit of solar powered heat was enough to keep Chuck warm until midday tomorrow when he can turn the heater on again.

[tmyrfield]

solar is working perfectly as planned

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-green-subsidy-bust-11607730090?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-green-subsidy-bust-11607730090?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter

[burnt]

solar is working perfectly as planned

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-green-subsidy-bust-11607730090?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-green-subsidy-bust-11607730090?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter

Just a bit of a miss - it didn't produce one year's projected output in its entire lifetime!! Seems like a few clouds skudded across their sky, but who would have thought of that!

Kathleen Wynne-style stretch goal?

"We wish we could say the politicians have learned from failure, but the Biden Administration is coming to town promising much more of the same."

Did Gerald Butts move back south?

Are there still a few more leftist pockets that need lining? Oh, smh - silly question...

[SASKFARMER]

I would love to see who these solar suckers and wind turbine manufacturers support team Trudeau with cash for his little special fund.

This whole thing is a joke like Albertafarmer posted.

we didn't learn anything from other countries **** up trying the same thing.

I for one won't sit under a blanket with socks and shoes and then have three quilts at night so I don't freeze in 2021. Stupidity we finally have a quality of life in rural Canada and skippy and the stupid liberals want to destroy that.

Yes, I hate liberals that's a fact they are stupid ignorant money-sucking lazy fools. None really want to work all need gov scam to help them. Follow the money on their big supporters you can trace it right back.

But an orange juice makes the news before.

[MBgrower]

Those vaccines packaged in 'dry ice', aka the evil CO2 gas. Shouldnt that be banned, or at least taxed?

[therealnorthernf]

I would love to see who these solar suckers and wind turbine manufacturers support team Trudeau with cash for his little special fund.

This whole thing is a joke like Albertafarmer posted.

we didn't learn anything from other countries **** up trying the same thing.

I for one won't sit under a blanket with socks and shoes and then have three quilts at night so I don't freeze in 2021. Stupidity we finally have a quality of life in rural Canada and skippy and the stupid liberals want to destroy that.

Yes, I hate liberals that's a fact they are stupid ignorant money-sucking lazy fools. None really want to work all need gov scam to help them. Follow the money on their big supporters you can trace it right back.

But an orange juice makes the news before.

This coming from a past Ralph Goodale supporter.. LOL.

Thank a Liberal

[fjlip]

Those vaccines packaged in 'dry ice', aka the evil CO2 gas. Shouldnt that be banned, or at least taxed?

NO! Obviously C02 is ESSENTIAL for all LIFE on earth, even to distribute the HOLY RNDNA vaccines!
We need to enshrine that saving GAS to ESSENTIAL, priority one, a godsend to save us! Make more any way we can!

[SASKFARMER]

Yep we all make mistakes at least I learned from mine.

[Hamloc]

I wish skippy and his whole crew would have to spend the day outside with nothing made from oil.

They would be given a fire starter a solar panel and a nice hut heated with natural gas if they choose to quit and warm up.

Then we would see what the real carbon tax is all about.

This is Canada were an artic country and today isn't even that cold. But it sure the **** is nice to be in a warm house heated by natural gas and a warm garage to have my truck in that's also heated. A warm shop to keep our augers and tractors and semis in for the day ahead of work.

Solar doesn't cut it and **** if I'm going to sit in a cold house and huddle under a blanket sitting by a ****ing space heater to keep warm.


This isn't 1928 and an log hut or no insulation. This is in a home build with the best materials around to keep the cold out. Ft thick insulated walls and a shop is warm.

But stupid liberals think this is all a luxury.

WE LIVE IN THE ****ING ARTIC>


STUPID LIBERALS

Again the whole liberal gov should be forced to spend a day outside in Sask with No oil products.

Funny another thing yesterday skippy was on his liberal web site showing a picture of an aeroplane delivering Covid 19 supplies. So I commented on why he was so happy because the plane was using fossil fuels to deliver precious cargo. Blocked.

****ing liberals are a joke and Canada needs to wake up from this nightmare before we have nothing to market any more.

Yes, its a marketing piece. We will have zero chance to farm in Canada with a 170 a ton carbon tax. FArms will be a distant memory as skippy expropriates all farms and gives them back.

One thing I missed in Skippy’s announcement and read on Realagriculture:”the plan includes setting a national fertilizer emission reduction target of 30% below 2020 levels. Fertilizer target is voluntary and aspirational notes a government official.” Yeah I bet it stays voluntary if Justupid gets re-elected!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

One thing I missed in Skippy’s announcement and read on Realagriculture:”the plan includes setting a national fertilizer emission reduction target of 30% below 2020 levels. Fertilizer target is voluntary and aspirational notes a government official.” Yeah I bet it stays voluntary if Justupid gets re-elected!

This is a much bigger topic that probably deserves a thread of its own. But how could this be accomplished?

Cutting ag production by 30% would be the most likely method, sending the production off shore to our competition who aren't encumbered by virtue signalling top down bureaucracy. Which would accomplish absolutely nothing on a global scale. But this has been the approach taken by most targetted industries.

Closing the loop on nutrient cycling, applying all waste and byproducts back on the land. Hard to do that when also exporting raw grains, or even meats. Would require shipping the waste back here, not so sure the CO2 footprint of that activity wouldn't cancel out the supposed benefits(pretending that there is a reason to be concerned with greenhouse gasses that are already at saturation levels for warming). LOng term though this has to happen in a world of finite resources, at least for P,K,S and some micro's. Especially P. N not so much, as long as we have energy, we can make N from the atmosphere.

Investing in research that might lead to more efficient fertilizer use by plants, or more available products ( especially P which has such pitifully low utilization), or the holy grail of Nitrogen fixing that works for all plant species. That would require vision, so seems unlikely.

Move all value added industries back as close to the farm as possible so no nutrients leave the region, let alone the country, and can be endlessly recycled back onto the land. This sounds preposterous in a country dead set on forcing all business away with high energy costs, taxes, regulations, labour laws, and impossible environmental standards.

Any other ways to accomplish this in a sustainable long term way?

Or do bureaucrats assume we all just over apply fertilizer by 30% because we have money to burn?

[Hamloc]

This is a much bigger topic that probably deserves a thread of its own. But how could this be accomplished?

Cutting ag production by 30% would be the most likely method, sending the production off shore to our competition who aren't encumbered by virtue signalling top down bureaucracy. Which would accomplish absolutely nothing on a global scale. But this has been the approach taken by most targetted industries.

Closing the loop on nutrient cycling, applying all waste and byproducts back on the land. Hard to do that when also exporting raw grains, or even meats. Would require shipping the waste back here, not so sure the CO2 footprint of that activity wouldn't cancel out the supposed benefits(pretending that there is a reason to be concerned with greenhouse gasses that are already at saturation levels for warming). LOng term though this has to happen in a world of finite resources, at least for P,K,S and some micro's. Especially P. N not so much, as long as we have energy, we can make N from the atmosphere.

Investing in research that might lead to more efficient fertilizer use by plants, or more available products ( especially P which has such pitifully low utilization), or the holy grail of Nitrogen fixing that works for all plant species. That would require vision, so seems unlikely.

Move all value added industries back as close to the farm as possible so no nutrients leave the region, let alone the country, and can be endlessly recycled back onto the land. This sounds preposterous in a country dead set on forcing all business away with high energy costs, taxes, regulations, labour laws, and impossible environmental standards.

Any other ways to accomplish this in a sustainable long term way?

Or do bureaucrats assume we all just over apply fertilizer by 30% because we have money to burn?

My greatest concern was that I was always looking past the initial C02 as the boogeyman. I always knew it was just the beginning. There are two issues in my mind with nitrogen, how much the carbon tax affects the price and how many regulations will be put in place in relation to its use. Personally I consider myself in the middle as far as fertilizer use levels, I talk to people that use much higher levels and people that use less but no doubt a 30% reduction will affect yields.

[furrowtickler]

Like carbon tax when it first came out , this 30% reduction goal is just a start .
Agree Hamloc, this was coming a while ago . We are mid fertility guys as well.
I see forward where the government will possibly decide how much fertilizer we may use and and anything above that level will be taxed very high . Will be the basis of this first 30% reduction goal probably.

Sad part is , nitrogen fixing crops such as peas / lentils have been decimated by root rots .