-35 with wind chill. All liberals should be outside with nothing made from Oil.

[Hamloc]

I wish skippy and his whole crew would have to spend the day outside with nothing made from oil.

They would be given a fire starter a solar panel and a nice hut heated with natural gas if they choose to quit and warm up.

Then we would see what the real carbon tax is all about.

This is Canada were an artic country and today isn't even that cold. But it sure the **** is nice to be in a warm house heated by natural gas and a warm garage to have my truck in that's also heated. A warm shop to keep our augers and tractors and semis in for the day ahead of work.

Solar doesn't cut it and **** if I'm going to sit in a cold house and huddle under a blanket sitting by a ****ing space heater to keep warm.


This isn't 1928 and an log hut or no insulation. This is in a home build with the best materials around to keep the cold out. Ft thick insulated walls and a shop is warm.

But stupid liberals think this is all a luxury.

WE LIVE IN THE ****ING ARTIC>


STUPID LIBERALS

Again the whole liberal gov should be forced to spend a day outside in Sask with No oil products.

Funny another thing yesterday skippy was on his liberal web site showing a picture of an aeroplane delivering Covid 19 supplies. So I commented on why he was so happy because the plane was using fossil fuels to deliver precious cargo. Blocked.

****ing liberals are a joke and Canada needs to wake up from this nightmare before we have nothing to market any more.

Yes, its a marketing piece. We will have zero chance to farm in Canada with a 170 a ton carbon tax. FArms will be a distant memory as skippy expropriates all farms and gives them back.

One thing I missed in Skippy’s announcement and read on Realagriculture:”the plan includes setting a national fertilizer emission reduction target of 30% below 2020 levels. Fertilizer target is voluntary and aspirational notes a government official.” Yeah I bet it stays voluntary if Justupid gets re-elected!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

One thing I missed in Skippy’s announcement and read on Realagriculture:”the plan includes setting a national fertilizer emission reduction target of 30% below 2020 levels. Fertilizer target is voluntary and aspirational notes a government official.” Yeah I bet it stays voluntary if Justupid gets re-elected!

This is a much bigger topic that probably deserves a thread of its own. But how could this be accomplished?

Cutting ag production by 30% would be the most likely method, sending the production off shore to our competition who aren't encumbered by virtue signalling top down bureaucracy. Which would accomplish absolutely nothing on a global scale. But this has been the approach taken by most targetted industries.

Closing the loop on nutrient cycling, applying all waste and byproducts back on the land. Hard to do that when also exporting raw grains, or even meats. Would require shipping the waste back here, not so sure the CO2 footprint of that activity wouldn't cancel out the supposed benefits(pretending that there is a reason to be concerned with greenhouse gasses that are already at saturation levels for warming). LOng term though this has to happen in a world of finite resources, at least for P,K,S and some micro's. Especially P. N not so much, as long as we have energy, we can make N from the atmosphere.

Investing in research that might lead to more efficient fertilizer use by plants, or more available products ( especially P which has such pitifully low utilization), or the holy grail of Nitrogen fixing that works for all plant species. That would require vision, so seems unlikely.

Move all value added industries back as close to the farm as possible so no nutrients leave the region, let alone the country, and can be endlessly recycled back onto the land. This sounds preposterous in a country dead set on forcing all business away with high energy costs, taxes, regulations, labour laws, and impossible environmental standards.

Any other ways to accomplish this in a sustainable long term way?

Or do bureaucrats assume we all just over apply fertilizer by 30% because we have money to burn?

[Hamloc]

This is a much bigger topic that probably deserves a thread of its own. But how could this be accomplished?

Cutting ag production by 30% would be the most likely method, sending the production off shore to our competition who aren't encumbered by virtue signalling top down bureaucracy. Which would accomplish absolutely nothing on a global scale. But this has been the approach taken by most targetted industries.

Closing the loop on nutrient cycling, applying all waste and byproducts back on the land. Hard to do that when also exporting raw grains, or even meats. Would require shipping the waste back here, not so sure the CO2 footprint of that activity wouldn't cancel out the supposed benefits(pretending that there is a reason to be concerned with greenhouse gasses that are already at saturation levels for warming). LOng term though this has to happen in a world of finite resources, at least for P,K,S and some micro's. Especially P. N not so much, as long as we have energy, we can make N from the atmosphere.

Investing in research that might lead to more efficient fertilizer use by plants, or more available products ( especially P which has such pitifully low utilization), or the holy grail of Nitrogen fixing that works for all plant species. That would require vision, so seems unlikely.

Move all value added industries back as close to the farm as possible so no nutrients leave the region, let alone the country, and can be endlessly recycled back onto the land. This sounds preposterous in a country dead set on forcing all business away with high energy costs, taxes, regulations, labour laws, and impossible environmental standards.

Any other ways to accomplish this in a sustainable long term way?

Or do bureaucrats assume we all just over apply fertilizer by 30% because we have money to burn?

My greatest concern was that I was always looking past the initial C02 as the boogeyman. I always knew it was just the beginning. There are two issues in my mind with nitrogen, how much the carbon tax affects the price and how many regulations will be put in place in relation to its use. Personally I consider myself in the middle as far as fertilizer use levels, I talk to people that use much higher levels and people that use less but no doubt a 30% reduction will affect yields.

[furrowtickler]

Like carbon tax when it first came out , this 30% reduction goal is just a start .
Agree Hamloc, this was coming a while ago . We are mid fertility guys as well.
I see forward where the government will possibly decide how much fertilizer we may use and and anything above that level will be taxed very high . Will be the basis of this first 30% reduction goal probably.

Sad part is , nitrogen fixing crops such as peas / lentils have been decimated by root rots .

[furrowtickler]

One thing I missed in Skippy’s announcement and read on Realagriculture:”the plan includes setting a national fertilizer emission reduction target of 30% below 2020 levels. Fertilizer target is voluntary and aspirational notes a government official.” Yeah I bet it stays voluntary if Justupid gets re-elected!

Will that apply to Quebec farms as well , or they exempt again ?

[farmaholic]

Like carbon tax when it first came out , this 30% reduction goal is just a start .
Agree Hamloc, this was coming a while ago . We are mid fertility guys as well.
I see forward where the government will possibly decide how much fertilizer we may use and and anything above that level will be taxed very high . Will be the basis of this first 30% reduction goal probably.

Sad part is , nitrogen fixing crops such as peas / lentils have been decimated by root rots .

What does this do to the practice of floating "schtoopit" expensive "schmar"t nitrogen on?

[furrowtickler]

What does this do to the practice of floating "schtoopit" expensive "schmar"t nitrogen on?

Good question , time will tell.
Many restrictions will be coming .
This is what our “Ag groups” need to be focused on . We will see a lot of changes under this great reset and we need a lot better info of how they will effect every thing we do . A lot of practices will be forced to change due to high carbon tax enforcement. They will make it totally unaffordable to do certain practices.
Good or bad , it’s coming .
Interesting times ahead .
The schmart ones may have got out of it already ...... or move to Quebec where everything is exempt under their cap and trade policy with California.
Some are about to get skinned in western Canada . Will have to change or be forced into bankruptcy through excessive taxation and environmental regulations.
It’s a dream of the extreme environmental and climate movement.

[bucket]

What does this do to the practice of floating "schtoopit" expensive "schmar"t nitrogen on?

In my 10 mile drive to feed cows it worth noting the 1000s of acres that have been floated in the last month..

[TASFarms]

In my 10 mile drive to feed cows it worth noting the 1000s of acres that have been floated in the last month..

Are they spreading elemental sulfur? It needs to oxidize

[SASKFARMER]

Phone a friend in Europe and then after you get off the phone make sure the gun cabinet is locked and the wife has the key. Rules that are coming will change farming forever in Canada. THe great reset is some farms will say **** it this shit is insane and quit. Others that are sucking the tit of following skippy will rejoice as they go bankrupt. Others will struggle on and hope for the best as the rest of the world hands us our lunch. Do you honestly think farmers in Ukraine or Russia or SA will follow the rules skippy wants us to follow. Were all getting the same price who will win. Not Canadians for sure.

The funny part is I feel no farm group has focused anything on what is coming and letting farmers know what is coming. It's all about the carbon tax on grain drying and the stupid Ag stab useless program and irrigate 40 farms in the SW.