4 cyl engine

[Old Cowzilla]

Just wondering if anybody has been using newer caseih or newholland loaders with those 4 cyl fiat engines. 130hp enough for moco discbine and bale shredder?

[shtferbrains]

I can't comment on the NH but I wore out a 1432 diskbine with a 6400 JD that was only rated 85 hp. 4 cyl turbo motor. Never felt short of power but mostly flat ground.
5 to 7 mph depending mostly how rough.
Did shred with it in the past. Even did frozen silage bales.
Newer 4 cyl have more torque than the older larger 6cyl.

[GDR]

Just wondering if anybody has been using newer caseih or newholland loaders with those 4 cyl fiat engines. 130hp enough for moco discbine and bale shredder?

Not really help on the CNH front either but my haying tractor went from a 120hp perkins 6cyl in a White to a 125hp 4cyl perkins in a McCormick. Both tractors dyno as they should. The 4cyl has to work too hard. Uses more fuel and drops rpms faster under load. I also feel the newer tractors have gotten smaller and lighter at the same hp. I feel it on the hills and corners running the discbine or baling, kinda pushes you around. Next tractor will be bigger for the same job.

[Guest]

new horses are not like old horses , just ask horse, lol (tm chuck)
we have a massey 100 hp and an old 1070 -107 hp
no comparison , not real horses nowadays, much like todays politicians

[DaneG]

Discbines can take lots of hp, conditioner rollers tend to be harder to turn compared to flails heavy crops take hp especially if lodged. There have been times I’ve had to grab gears with jd 4640 in heavy lodged hay.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Someone once said there is no replacement for displacement, and I believe it.

My discbine tractors are White 1870's. 451 cu in, massive heavy engines in massive heavy tractors for their HP. Heavy tangled hay, leaning into the rollers, or wrapping the rollers, they will just power right through, recover from any RPM. One year I cut some hay for a neighbor with his new 6410 JD, and our same discbine. rated the same HP. The JD has 274 cu in. No comparison in bottom end torque. regardless of what the specs might say.

[Old Cowzilla]

Seams like i have to jump to 150 hp to get bigger 6 cyl in any brands, red green or blue. Also seams to be really big jump in $ at that level. I have a habit of keeping steel a long time after i buy it so don't want to make rash decision. Others input on this is very welcomed thanks.

[AC man]

Seams like i have to jump to 150 hp to get bigger 6 cyl in any brands, red green or blue. Also seams to be really big jump in $ at that level. I have a habit of keeping steel a long time after i buy it so don't want to make rash decision. Others input on this is very welcomed thanks.

I would recommend a 6 cylinder over the 4 cylinder all the time. Have had both at the same time with similar hp. The 6 cylinder will definitely lug better and I think the longevity will be better. I can’t really say anything bad about the 4 cylinder as never had any problems with it.

[farming101]

Many (if not all, IDK?) 4 cylinder diesels have an internal balancer to smooth out the natural imbalance of the uneven firing pistons. Six cylinders are one of the most naturally balanced engines

[shtferbrains]

I had a 4430 as a second tractor but burnt it and the baler when I sent the hired man over to bale a last field of straw for my BIL.
I replaced it with a very good 4240 with a 158 loader.
I wished I had looked around for a good 6400 as I find them much more usefull around a cattle operation than the older larger frame tractors.
FWA, self leveling loader,better visibility front and rear, and quicker all around.
Bale all day on 25 gal fuel.
MOO DYOD.

[farmaholic]

Many (if not all, IDK?) 4 cylinder diesels have an internal balancer to smooth out the natural imbalance of the uneven firing pistons. Six cylinders are one of the most naturally balanced engines

Then I must only be firing on 3 out of the four cylinders!