apples to apples

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Caution is needed. Without fully understanding what happened in previous years, current demographics and demographic trends it will be hard to prove anything with just this chart. Also, as I've said since March there are no two identical populations. The outcome in one place will most assuredly not be the the same as any other place
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Evidently, someone discovered the fountain of youth in 2019, only to watch it's flow ebb dramatically in 2020.

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Most of the old people that died, didn’t get tested for the flu, they just died, flue or not.

Oh really? I wonder how many covid-19 deaths there are then... I would assume the same proportion are just dying, without being tested. Or does that only happen with influenza?

[TSIPP]

Oh really? I wonder how many covid-19 deaths there are then...

Probably not nearly as many thats being reported

[Guest]

Is it possible to face-time them(if they're techy enough) or phone lots.

My Dad was in the hospital again and this time no one was able to stay with him and help with his care and be an "interpreter". He did fine but he sure would have liked a family member to be there. I'm glad he's home again and out of ("more") harms way. Corona would definitely take him out! We made sure to get his cell phone to him.

The hospital definitely has less non essential traffic mulling around in it. Security at main entrances then a screening process before you can get further in..... and the wards/units are heavily monitored too. Anyone in "street clothes" is very suspect.....especially if they don't have a Sask Health worker ID card clipped to them or hanging from a lanyard around their neck.

Can't wait for this to be over!

before wife retired as a nurse she facetimed some residents families that had family far away and couldn't do it on their own , used her own phone . they really appreciated it

[GDR]

FWIW Dr Hinshaw said today the AB death toll in 10 months has now surpassed the total of the past 10yrs of Flu deaths in the province. 760 deaths, about 140 in ICU.

[GOODRUM]

Copied 12-12-2020. This certainly bang on:
My rant for the day 🤬🤬🤬
I was thinking of this today...
142 people died of covid in canada yesterday.. Sounds alarming right... I think that's the goal to alarm us... It is alarming...... but it got me thinkng what if they threw all kinds of numbers at us everyday ... would covid still be the most popular on social media ....... perhaps...
MAYBE if we heard comparison numbers we would feel different... maybe...
Let's see...... 142 people is a lot.... don't get me wrong... Because these are all someone's loved ones, and I get that...
But' let's grieve all the numbers, and be fair about it ♡
Covid Dec 11th 2020: 142 deaths yesterday... 😞
-4157suicides last year- averaging 11 per day 😞 I never knew this number... mental health receives such little attention (the leading cause of death in our young people, the same young people we have socially restricted... Imagine the mental health impact for our at risk teens.... Who's fighting for them ... 😞 )
-over 80,000 people died of cancer last year in Canada... that's about 220 a day... 😞 I didn't know that.... someone's mother, father, daughter, son 😞 absolutley tragic ....
-I couldn't find how many people died of the flu, because from what I gather, flu isn't usually marked as cause of death... but if someone has the number, let's have a moment of silence for those lives... 😞
-276,689 died of heart disease that's more than 750 a day...WOW...if I heard that every day, I would probably eat more veggies and less deep fried goodness... this number is OUTRAGEOUS...
- 1500 killed and over 63,000 injured by drunk drivers each year in canada... that means 5 die a day and many more injured ..and we still sell alcohol... tell me again how much the government is concerned about your life 😞
- 6912 died from Alzheimer's ...that's 18 a day 😞
-41,500 from diabetes...that's 113 a day.... and sugar is the #1 ingredient in our market place 😞
- about 57,000 a year die of stroke... about 156 each day 😞
-almost 2 million jobs were lost in April from covid, and it appears over half of those are still unemployed, that would work out to an average of 5479 a day... that's a huge impact on the economy and a lot of mouths to feed...especially when our prime minister hikes up the carbon tax 467%...well played JT, well played.. your love for Canadians is emotionally overwhelming ...
-5.6 million children die each year from hunger...that's 15,000 a day, approx 4 a minute.. and we close our eyes... this one matters to me, so I threw it in...cus you know the land of milk and honey over here...maybe we should grieve these treasures too 😞
-206,905 died over the age of 70 in canada last year... that is a whooping 564 people each day... WOW... imagine if they just announced these number everyday on the radio... how would we feel..??? Depressed at first...and then, they would sadly just become numbers...and they have, that's why we don't pay attention... 😞
And to top it off...if you look at the deaths over the past 5 years in Canada , they all average about the same....in fact this fall has the least deaths over the past 5 years.....go figure...
Media is a powerful player...we can't dismiss that perhaps a major bias is being spoon fed to us through their BS propaganda.... 🤪 yeah I said BS, cause that's exactly what it is...
My point is...we aren't bombarded with these numbers every day.....and if we were, we would all be shocked...
I didnt realize 500 elderly died each day... that is so sad...someone loved them.... ♡ and they matter too...
and currently those 500 a day are locked away, think about that... Every patriotic covid supporter...they are locking up our grandparents...our parents... That is abusive... absolultey abusive, in every sense of the word...
Ask grandma is she would like to see her kids, her grandkids... I will guarentee her answer will, statistically, be a resounding 'YES', with tears running down her face...Shame on our system ... You can't tell me this is ok...where is her freedom....where are her rights....??? 🤬
So the argument that covid is contagious, is valid.. with a transmission rate of 1%, that means, if I sat with 100 people, 1 is probable to catch it, sure that's too many... but 99% will recover... so when you put it like that... shutting down the world makes complete sense... No Conspiracies here... keep on walkin...
The numbers posted above, get dismissed every single day...... and covid is controlling our every move... Controlling what we say... Controlling how close we stand to loved ones... Controlling who we see...Who can ride in our car or come through our front door... It controls how we talk about it on the internet... It''s Not controlling how much we spend, just where we spend it...
Who the ^#&#&#; gave covid so much power... oh right the politicians... Who love us like we were their children.... 😳
You eat an apple that is sprayed, you fly in planes...you drive cars... you walk across the street, you eat peanuts out of the local pubs infested bowl... you get a little water from the river in your mouth and keep swimming...
We take risks everyday... i would rather die of covid surrounded by my family, then live isolated and alone ...
This virus, that statistically speaking is 12x more likely to have you murdered in the city of Calgary, then to kill you if you are under the age of 60....
More likely that you would be struck dead by lightening, then die under the age of 20... Come on, anyone with a brain knows this is not global shutdown material... Unless something bigger is in play.....
I don't buy lottery tickets, because my chances of winning, are equal to that of a lightening striking me dead... and we have pulled all these kids out of school for that statistic...
For all you risk analysts, we should probably wrap up Gen Z in rubber, and stick a lightening rod on their head, because they are at risk of lightening striking, especially in rainy season.... 😉 The average age of this virus being life threatening, is over the average age of life expectancy...
Now here's my thoughts, if everything above wasn't enough...
EVERY life...EVERY LIFE matters...
BUT we aren't concerned with all the toxic garbage on the supermarket shelves, which by the way is the #1 cause of heart disease & cancer.... We don't fight mental illness in this nation, we ignore it.... So why, why is covid stealing the thunder....?. got me wonderin....
When the government stops selling cigarettes, the leading cause of cancer, sugary cereals and cheetos, #1 cause of child obesity ...and MSG and Asparthame, that poison people like me...and all the dyes and preservatives FDA approves for human consumption ... then we can talk about how they care about our health & well being ... ♡ Until then, I would rather take my chances with covid.....

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[farmaholic]

Most of the causes of death stated above do have initiatives and money being spent to curb them.
It's not like anything isn't being done. Is just that Covid might be getting "over done".

[Livewire]

Well said. If people could wake up and use their common sense the world would be a much different place. Instead the naysayers will take what you said and twist it into something weird and call you Quanon. Use what’s between your ears people and wake up to the truth that’s all around you!!!

[sumdumguy]

If you have parents in LTC and you can get a video of their plight, you may want to go the legal route. A lawyer letter might get you some access (what would a judge say?). Maybe just a threat of legal action will get you in. Government regs say compassionate care is allowed but facilities are closing out visitors cause it is easier. After a push-back daily temperature checks meet the criteria for one care-giver. Works! The cases of Covid are coming in with care workers who go from institution to institution and live in a home with lots of people, usually multi-generational accommodation.

[Misterjade9]

Absolutely, perfectly said Goodrum.

[dmlfarmer]

There is one major problem with Goodrums rant. Not one of the other causes of death he compares numbers for is contagious. Cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, strokes are not contagious diseases! I will not run the risk of catching any of these diseases simply by exposure to someone who has them.
Flu is contagious, but he admits he does not know the number of deaths from flu and we also know Covid is more deadly than the flu depending upon age.
Suicide is not contagious. Just because I am in close contact with some who later commits suicide does not put me at greater risk of suicide unless I am already prone to killing myself.

Yes there are risks to everything in life but it is my choice to take those health risks should I decide to smoke, or become overweight, or participate in extreme sports, or even drive. Even then the government already tries to reduce those risks by limiting cigarette sales to adults and not allowing smoking indoors, speed limits, and getting drunk drivers off the road because those actions by others can impact my health just as they are trying to limit the spread of an NOVEL INFECTIOUS DISEASE.

More importantly, Covid has a long incubation period and can be spread by asymptotic carriers thereby greatly increasing the risk of transmission and of becoming ill than happens with the flu.

If you think Covid death is equivalent to deaths from any of the other causes Goodrum lists, ask yourself why over 1000 doctors and nurses in the US have already died from Covid. How many doctors and nurses have died treating patients for any of the other causes of death listed.

[Partners]

GOODRUM.
Send that to Scott Moe's office.
Someone their actually reads emails and replies.
Wife has got a reply on each of the 10 she has sent so far..

[jazz]

Well a couple fresh suicides to add to the total.

[Sheepwheat]

Yes there are risks to everything in life but it is my choice to take those health risks should I decide to smoke, or become overweight, or participate in extreme sports, or even drive.

So wearing or not wearing a mask is a risk? Do you think I or you should have the right to use our own thoughts on this and do what is right for us?

Give us an American perspective. We’re all waiting.