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    Yeah I’m a prick, serves em right

    Shiver arsehats what goes round comes round.

    Electricity shortages are worsening across China, forcing tens of millions of residents in large cities to ration heating, raising questions about how long Xi Jinping can continue to delay delivery of more than $1bn of Australian coal which feeds the nation’s power plants and steel mills.

    Australia in 2019 supplied 57 per cent of China’s thermal coal imports for power stations and more than 40 per cent of the nation’s imports of coking coal, a key *ingredient in steelmaking, *according to coal researcher IEA Clean Coal Centre.

    The electricity shortages have been causing increasing concern in Beijing as a mixture of booming industrial activity, protection of its politically powerful domestic coal sector and retribution against the Morrison government *begins to affect daily life.


    “You cannot pretend that bad relations between China and Australia haven’t contributed to this situation,” a Chinese energy industry source told The Australian, asking not to be named *because of political sensitivity.

    Residents in the industrial hub of Zhejiang — an east coast province of 57 million people which the Chinese President once ruled — have been instructed not to use heating until the temperature falls below 3C.

    Some people in Hunan — which has a population 67 million and was the birthplace of Mao Zedong — have been forced to climb 20 flights of stairs to get to their apartments as power cuts prevent the use of lifts.


    Restrictions on power usage have also spread to provinces including Shaanxi (population 33 million), Jiangxi (45 million) and Inner Mongolia (25 million), where temperatures this week have fallen below minus 40C.

    Last week, Shanghai’s municipal government told shopping malls and office towers to switch off airconditioning and all unnecessary outdoor lighting. Shanghai’s signature light and laser show along both banks of the Huangpu River will reportedly soon be suspended indefinitely.

    Over the weekend the National Development and Reform Commission met with major power companies to address surging domestic coal prices. In an attempted fix, the commission — China’s top economic planning agency — gave approval for power plants to import coal without clearance restrictions, “except for Australia”, according to state media.

    The all-but-official ban on Australia’s $14bn annual coal exports to China is the biggest strike in Beijing’s sweeping eight-month-long attempt to use more than $20bn of trade restrictions to punish the Morrison government for calling for an independent inquiry into the coronavirus.

    China’s state-controlled media has been reluctant to link the spike in coal prices and power restrictions to Beijing’s ban on coal imports, particularly from Australia.

    The country’s industrial analysts have been more direct in articles to clients spread over Chinese social media.

    “Many coastal power plants have renovated power units to use Australian coal,” wrote one Chinese industrial analyst firm, which also noted the “big gap in terms of quality” between Australian coal and that from Indonesia and Russia.

    Former Nationals leader and trade minister Mark Vaile said: “It’s going to be interesting to see how the Chinese government deals with this. Their concerns are always about maintaining civil stability.

    “If it’s Chinese government decisions that are causing power outages through a lack of supply of quality coal, well, that certainly will raise concerns in the community.” Mr Vaile is now chairman of coal company Whitehaven, which does not export to China.

    China this year imposed strict restrictions on imports to help struggling local coal producers by increasing domestic prices.

    Prices have skyrocketed since October on booming industrial activity in the world’s second-biggest economy and as cold weather hit much of the country earlier than usual, increasing demand.

    While Chinese consumers have been hit, China’s coal-producing regions are booming.

    “A sudden rise in demand has cleared out stock, leaving coal yards standing empty, and the roads are lined with trucks bearing the black gold,” reported Yicai, a Chinese business publication, after a visit to the central province of Henan this week.

    Industry sources told The Australian the price of thermal coal in China had in recent days traded well above the price limit of 600 yuan ($120) per tonne set by Beijing’s economic planning agency over the weekend.

    China’s Foreign Ministry has continued to deny that Australian coal has been black-listed, despite more than 70 bulk ships, carrying more than $1bn worth of Australian coal, being stuck for up to six months off China’s coast.

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    Mark Higgie, a former Australian ambassador to the European Union and one-time adviser to former prime minister Tony Abbott, has warned Britain not to concentrate on trade deals with China because the country is “a thug and a shocking bully” and blatantly uses trade “in an overtly political way”.

    He said: “I would have to urge extreme caution, I mean we’ve got ourselves in a situation now where China is our most important export market and China is behaving like a shocking bully and has decided to, I think, make an example of Australia because we had the temerity to call for a global inquiry into the origin of the Covid pandemic. And they were furious with that. Now, sector by sector, they’re finding reasons not to import our stuff.”

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      #3
      Well at least they might meet Kyoto targets now.

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        #4
        Originally posted by malleefarmer View Post
        Mark Higgie, a former Australian ambassador to the European Union and one-time adviser to former prime minister Tony Abbott, has warned Britain not to concentrate on trade deals with China because the country is “a thug and a shocking bully” and blatantly uses trade “in an overtly political way”.

        He said: “I would have to urge extreme caution, I mean we’ve got ourselves in a situation now where China is our most important export market and China is behaving like a shocking bully and has decided to, I think, make an example of Australia because we had the temerity to call for a global inquiry into the origin of the Covid pandemic. And they were furious with that. Now, sector by sector, they’re finding reasons not to import our stuff.”
        These shortages won't go on for too long before China will step out and buy a coal mining company to secure supply.

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          #5
          Hey, they can burn wheat, Canadian wheat - 1972 prices

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            #6
            Skippy would let them buy the Saskatchewan fields of coal in a heart beat and then tell us coal is bad for Canadians

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              #7
              Originally posted by malleefarmer View Post

              China this year imposed strict restrictions on imports to help struggling local coal producers by increasing domestic prices.

              Prices have skyrocketed since October on booming industrial activity in the world’s second-biggest economy and as cold weather hit much of the country earlier than usual, increasing demand.

              While Chinese consumers have been hit, China’s coal-producing regions are booming.
              Interesting how when Trump instituted tariffs to boost US industry he was hailed as a hero by conservatives even though it raised steel, aluminum and other costs to US consumers as well as created regional shortages of goods. Yet when China does the same thing with coal, the Chinese government is wrong and the same conservatives cry for the exporting nation which has lost a market.

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                #8
                Originally posted by dmlfarmer View Post
                Interesting how when Trump instituted tariffs to boost US industry he was hailed as a hero by conservatives even though it raised steel, aluminum and other costs to US consumers as well as created regional shortages of goods. Yet when China does the same thing with coal, the Chinese government is wrong and the same conservatives cry for the exporting nation which has lost a market.

                We questioned origins of covid.

                That’s what’s started the stoush with Australia nothing more nothing less

                Edit our PM asked were did covid start, wet markets, labs were, how long did you have it before became public, why didn’t you tell the world sooner, what fake news real news. Just wanted answers.

                Hindsight possibly should have been done differently and waited till other countries were on side with us.
                Last edited by malleefarmer; Dec 17, 2020, 13:45.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by malleefarmer View Post
                  We questioned origins of covid.

                  That’s what’s started the stoush with Australia nothing more nothing less

                  Edit our PM asked were did covid start, wet markets, labs were, how long did you have it before became public, why didn’t you tell the world sooner, what fake news real news. Just wanted answers.

                  Hindsight possibly should have been done differently and waited till other countries were on side with us.
                  Read the last 6 paragraphs of your original post. Pay particular attention to this one, that you posted. "China this year imposed strict restrictions on imports to help struggling local coal producers by increasing domestic prices".

                  No doubt Morrison's comments were a trigger, but it is not necessarily "nothing more, nothing less" It was an easy way to limit coal supply by black listing Australia in order to increase prices for Chinese coal producers. US played same game to increase ag exports to China by triggering China to impose penalties on Canada for Weng arrest even though Canada made the arrest on behalf of the Americans.

                  And don't forget WMD were never found in Iraq but was a great trigger for war.

                  Global diplomacy is a lot more complicated than a single black white issue.

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                    #10
                    But wait a minute.
                    What happened to all the cut and paste articles chuck posted telling us how China is leading in renewable energy, And how it is now cheaper than coal in China. Why would they need to import any more coal if they can just use renewable energy much cheaper?
                    I think I might have figured it out now. As usual, it is cheaper than coal when the sun is shining, And only if the consumers are willing to accept that they can only use energy when the sun is shining, Not that reliable 24 hour a day all year round kind of energy that Consumers outside of communist nations have grown accustomed to.
                    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Dec 17, 2020, 16:32.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by LEP View Post
                      These shortages won't go on for too long before China will step out and buy a coal mining company to secure supply.
                      Not sure but I heard Kenney just sold some of Alberta's parks to either China or Australia coal mining company for strip mining so either they will mine there own or buy from Australia but will be cheap Canadian coal. Hope it is just rumor tho.

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                        #12
                        To rob a phrase.
                        When one man freezes its a tragedy.
                        A million a statistic.

                        The Chinese are capable of far more than we are able to comprehend.
                        I suggest Chuck be sent as emissary by Trudeau immediately.

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                          #13
                          Dml you really are an ***hole.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by wmoebis View Post
                            Not sure but I heard Kenney just sold some of Alberta's parks to either China or Australia coal mining company for strip mining so either they will mine there own or buy from Australia but will be cheap Canadian coal. Hope it is just rumor tho.
                            Dec 15, 2020:
                            ..."A “coal rush” in the province (Alberta) could see at least six new or expanded open-pit coal mines built up and down the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains, mostly by Australian companies. Together, these projects could industrialize as much as 1,000 sq km of forests, waterways and grasslands."...

                            ..."It (UPC) rescinded the 1976 coal mining policy without public consultation, after spending months wooing Australian coal companies. It also reduced the corporate tax rate from 10 to 8%, axed provincial parks in coal-rich areas, offered 1% royalties (Australia’s is a minimum of seven), and passed legislation to fast-track project approvals."...

                            https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/15/alberta-canada-coal-rush-mining-exports https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/15/alberta-canada-coal-rush-mining-exports

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by sofa.king View Post
                              Dml you really are an ***hole.
                              Oh, I am so hurt! Makes me wonder what you think of Albertans who support the Kenney government plan for selling Alberta coal to Australian companies for one-seventh of the royalty that those same companies have to pay Australian residents for Australian coal, especially when that coal will be used to displace Australian coal (and related coal mining jobs) shipped to China.

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