Farm groups support Bibeau's offer

[bucket]

The three prairie provinces farm groups ..APAS, AFA and KAP think the current offer from minister Bibeau for agristability should be accepted....

Its obvious these guys have had daddy's money paying for them until they put the big boy pants on at age 50 or older when either their grandpa died or dad gave them the farm...because their knowledge of farming, when thinking of accepting the federal governments offer, is pretty dismal and will not help a new generation want to farm...

Agristabilty has to be scrapped.....

It doesn't help mixed farms ..or farms that are at a consistent size and are content with it but get hit with market or weather issues...it doesn't work.....it isn't working with sub 50 percent participation ..

It doesn't work when you are pricing out of the distorted market exchanges of the USA...

Why not use export prices at the west coast that reflect true value of our product?

If you had a piece of machinery that everytime you started it ...it had to go to the shop and you had to argue about it with the service manager ....would you keep that piece of machinery for eight years?


Its time to start looking for better solutions....and since Trudeau wants everything to be green by raising the carbon tax to 170 dollars a tonne....

Maybe its time to get our well deserved carbon credits....

I assume and could be wrong but if continuous cropping sequesters half a tonne of carbon a year per acre maybe the .5 tonne X 170 equals 85 bucks an acre payment....every year for farmer's practices .

I made a complaint but offered a solution...

The farm groups just blindly agree with their government masters....a very disappointing opinion piece in the Western Producer by the heads/ echo chambers of farm groups....

[Goodtime]

I am said to hell with it in 2019

[bucket]

When you look at APAS...does it represent 50 percent of the RMs in saskatchewan?

Less than 50 percent participate in agristability and 50 percent are represented by APAS....25 percent of farmers making decisions to support a shitty offer...


Why cant leaders of farm group use the organ between their ears and come up with better solutions than agree with governments so they can get funding for their organizations to really do nothing...


Name one thing in a decade APAS was instrumental in changing in farm policy??????

[TSIPP]

I assume and could be wrong but if continuous cropping sequesters half a tonne of carbon a year per acre maybe the .5 tonne X 170 equals 85 bucks an acre payment....every year for farmer's practices .

You are assuming Trudeau And gang wants you to continually crop, Trudeau and the gang don’t want your continuous cropping, they would rather you fold up shop and blow away. The great reset isn’t great for us and it probably isn’t great for them but when we have a bunch of control freaks calling the shots the only thing we can do is to start building gallows.

[jazz]

bucket, carbon credits are going to come with a whole bunch of over regulation. Someone from the UN will have to come to your farm and watch to make sure you didnt go a couple feet into a slough with the drill.

We dont want that just to get some half assed govt programs. I would rather be without them to be honest.

Crop insurance and hail are the only bankable programs we are ever going to get.

[bucket]

Imbeciles !

So true and it starts right here in Saskatchewan...

I like fun with math so here goes...

Saskatchewan government says they can't afford the changes to agristabilty.....really??????

4.5billion at even 2 percent interest on that irrigation project is 90 million a year in interest payments until its paid for....and who is paying for it???

The Saskatchewan government has no problem funding 100000 acres of irrigation every year to the tune of 4 million in subsidies....


Imbeciles is an understatement and it starts sadly with those at the farm leading to farm groups leading to RMs to the provincial and finally federal government....

Maybe the great reset rids us of the idiots that supposedly represent us now...

[bucket]

bucket, carbon credits are going to come with a whole bunch of over regulation. Someone from the UN will have to come to your farm and watch to make sure you didnt go a couple feet into a slough with the drill.

We dont want that just to get some half assed govt programs. I would rather be without them to be honest.

Crop insurance and hail are the only bankable programs we are ever going to get.

With the current people in the farm groups ..you may be right....

But when Air Canada can get 400 million in wage subsidies and a golf course in Ottawa openly admits its profits came from government programs ...there is something the farm groups are missing in getting appropriate programs in place...

[FarmJunkie]

Agree 100% bucket. These groups are useless because they have no bargaining power. If we were a union and APAS said don’t plant a crop and they threatened the government with no production then u would see some shit hit the fan........butttttttttttt we do what we always do and the no action policies continue on the governments end. The only way it changes is when Mother Nature takes control and says no production. Then the government is forced to help to keep the people with no food happy. Our government is nothing close to how the U.S. government sees agriculture. Frustrating when we buy the same inputs and run basically the same equipment but pay for it with Monopoly money.

[ajl]

I want agri stab scrapped. It is the worst kind of government program as it picks winners and losers. Small time operators have to have off farm income anyways, so why can't larger players stand on their own two feet? I do use crop insurance and have found it useful. I would like crop insurance to be revenue based. That get rid of the grade game. From my reading of Mallee's posts though, crop insurance tends to reduce margins per acre since they have to mitigate risk in OZ by keeping margins much bigger. So crop insurance has the side effect off raising costs and is possibly and incentive to overuse inputs. Government benefits from both of those which is why they pretend to contribute to the crop insurance system but for the most part it is actually self financing.

[tubs]

I want agri stab scrapped. It is the worst kind of government program as it picks winners and losers. Small time operators have to have off farm income anyways, so why can't larger players stand on their own two feet? I do use crop insurance and have found it useful. I would like crop insurance to be revenue based. That get rid of the grade game. From my reading of Mallee's posts though, crop insurance tends to reduce margins per acre since they have to mitigate risk in OZ by keeping margins much bigger. So crop insurance has the side effect off raising costs and is possibly and incentive to overuse inputs. Government benefits from both of those which is why they pretend to contribute to the crop insurance system but for the most part it is actually self financing.

cropinsurance picks winners and losers also, In my risk area the premium is about 14% and there is a worse area but about 10 miles from me the premium is 4% now tell me how that is fair!