Carbon Tax efficiencies...?????

[jazz]

This article was out yesterday showing the oilsands has already been able to reduce its carbon intensity. Looks like they might be able to escape the brunt of a carbon tax before it even rises too much. That group got zero credits from the govt as well and just had to find a way to produce the same for less CO2.

On the bad news, in my estimation that leaves 2 other industries as targets, agriculture and transportation of commodities. (of which farmers pay trucking and freight).

Farmers might be holding a pretty big bag unless we get our sht together.

Not sure what we can do. Diesel is exempt, NG isnt so that means drying and fertilizer and chem are going to be impacted.

Might have to look at storing fert. Buy 10yrs worth and put er in the shed. We dont use a dryer so thats a bonus.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oilsands-emissions-intensity-35-lower-drop-another-19 Oilsands emissions intensity 35% lower than reported and could drop another 19%, new study says

[jazz]

So this even worse. CO2 has a subsequent calculation to N2O equivalents that make it much more expensive.

From the article;

After calculating estimated emissions and converting the carbon tax to N2O equivalents, he’s calculated that a tax could reach $57.39 per hectare ($19.08 per acre) with a $50 carbon tax. (If you’re trying to do the math at home, Tenuta assumes we’re emitting 0.002 tonnes of N per hectare. He converts that to the N2O equivalent, then to the CO2 equivalent. Then he multiplies that by the per tonne price of the tax. I’ve converted his results to dollars per acre.)
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So guess what boys. At $170 carbon tax would equate $60 per acre in equivalent taxes. That doesnt even begin to cost in the extra costs passed on to Canadian farmers from CN and chem inputs.

Can you say Bye bye Canadian ag. Hope you all enjoy making chem fallow again because fertilizer will be too expensive by the time this is done.

https://www.grainews.ca/features/changing-nitrogen-use-to-avoid-taxes/ Changing nitrogen use to avoid taxes

[Guest]

This article was out yesterday showing the oilsands has already been able to reduce its carbon intensity. Looks like they might be able to escape the brunt of a carbon tax before it even rises too much. That group got zero credits from the govt as well and just had to find a way to produce the same for less CO2.

On the bad news, in my estimation that leaves 2 other industries as targets, agriculture and transportation of commodities. (of which farmers pay trucking and freight).

Farmers might be holding a pretty big bag unless we get our sht together.

Not sure what we can do. Diesel is exempt, NG isnt so that means drying and fertilizer and chem are going to be impacted.

Might have to look at storing fert. Buy 10yrs worth and put er in the shed. We dont use a dryer so thats a bonus.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oilsands-emissions-intensity-35-lower-drop-another-19 Oilsands emissions intensity 35% lower than reported and could drop another 19%, new study says

Lucky a grain dryer is optional for you
Sure as hell isn’t around here

[jazz]

Lucky a grain dryer is optional for you
Sure as hell isn’t around here

Anybody in this game long term better get ready to make some drastic changes before this all hits.

There are 2 watershed dates to watch. The tax challenge at the supreme court resolves in march and skippys re-election which will come likely in the spring. Those 2 things go against us and she is game over.

[MBgrower]

Ag will look like the W.Can energy economy in the not too distant future, sad to say.

[Hamloc]

Fertilizer usage. Its the largest single fossil energy input into crop production.

Nutrient management will undergo scrutiny and research to reduce usage and losses and minimize nitrous oxide emissions while still maintaining yield. According to the scientists there is room for substantial improvement.

Chuck2 just looked it up in 2005 agriculture contributed 60 mega tonnes of emissions to Canada’s ghg emissions, in 2018 we contributed 59 mega tonnes, in both years roughly 8% of Canada’s total. I asked you this question before, no response so I will ask again do you support Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax with it's planned yearly rise reaching $170 a tonne by 2030?!

[GDR]

Lucky a grain dryer is optional for you
Sure as hell isn’t around here

Just asking, nothing more, but have you always needed a grain dryer or just recent years weather, or just since farms have gotten bigger?

Only was 2 dryers anywhere around here 20 yrs ago, the last 5 years lots are going in, still would be fairly low percentage of guys who got them. Still mostly smaller farms and lots of mixed farms here. September has traditionally been a wet month but until the last few years October usually straightens out.

[TOM4CWB]

I hear Quebec has cap and trade [c02] with California at 17$/t... exempted from the Feds tax. 170$/t is 10x the Quebec rate is costing... Liberals mean to stick a finger in eye of Premier Doug Ford... for cancelling Ontario's previous cap and trade program...

It will be very interesting to see what Biden does with cap and trade... or carbon tax? This US decision will set the likely standard for Canada.

Oil and NG are strategic national security issues... North American NATO self sufficiency for energy will drive an alliance for long term national security for energy. Without energy security... no national security policy can work.

[burnt]

When there is no rational explanation for carrying out a destructive action

I may have posted this JBP clip before, but it becomes even more relevant in relation to the imminent destruction of agriculture in Canada resulting from this Liberal government's determined course.

From the clip - "If you can't figure out what someone is doing, or why, look at the outcome and infer the motivation. If it produces mayhem, perhaps it was aiming at mayhem."

Peterson's analysis (3:05) of why people support and/or engage in overtly harmful and anti-social behaviors (i.e. -Nazi prison guards) gives a horrific glimpse into the potential of some who are committed to their destructive thinking ("...whatever element of Cain is deeply embedded in you..."). From there, one can deduce why even engaging with such is worse than a mere waste of time - it can actually draw one into their sphere of evil influence.

It is a severely drastic assumption to underestimate the existence and commitment of the forces of evil at work in this world in our day, as further evidenced in the "...city council..." thread by rumrocks.

Why would someone in power pursue this path, knowing the probable outcome? Drug-induced brain damage? Satanic influence or possession? FAS? I once had a young woman who was affected by FAS tell me in perfect calm, her boyfriend sitting beside her, that if she were to come to my house, she would likely steal from me because of her uncontrollable compulsion resulting from FAS. She knew it, and said that she couldn't help herself.

With this understanding, is there a name and policy that comes to mind that could replace the historical illustration provided?

I just hope and pray to God that we are not entering into the dawning of another period of genocide that is even worse than the previous ones that the fascist leftists visited on the people of this world.

[LEP]

Beadle has an oil loading that they don’t seem to use. Could build it like a co-op to get more cars.

Railways have defined the level of service they are willing to provide the captive grain business. They are unwilling to enhance it in any way. I asked about getting producer cars delivered to a siding that had in the past received service. I was told to hell would freeze over before I ever got cars there. Kinda shocked as it was a civil conversation up until that point.