Open Challenge....Verifying claims with actual Grid Tie energy production.

[Guest]

Why in the world wouldn’t every gas well that is flaring have a gen set running off of it ?

[chuckChuck]

Its a good question. The technology exists and has been used but H2S and dirty gas that needs to be refined are an issue I believe. Perhaps Oneoff can comment.

[jazz]

Why in the world wouldn’t every gas well that is flaring have a gen set running off of it ?

Case, its uneconomical.

You have 2 choices, genset at every well and then run power lines to get the power out of every location and then to the main grid, or buried PE lines to gather the gas up to a central location and then grid tie.

These wells are too spread out and the gas supply too uncertain to make it all work.

The gas is also sour and wet so it has to be fractionated and scrubbed before it can run through a genset.

[oneoff]

Glad to see the flurry of interest and good comments. I have to get some work done this warm afternoon but will make it a priority to pick away at some replies this evening. This concept performs beyond expectations given all the right circumstances. For someone who doesn't have the right gas supply source; nor is capable of being a battery operator; and can't overhaul equipment; or wants a free source of energy; and lacks the patience to develop a project; then partner or become involved with those who have those skills and prerequisites.....or else it will be a drawn out failure

[TASFarms]

There is a few bitcoin miners running on oil leases. The miners are on pads that make enough gas to run a Genest.

My biggest concern with solar is how long do the inverters last?

[oneoff]

There is a few bitcoin miners running on oil leases. The miners are on pads that make enough gas to run a Genest.

My biggest concern with solar is how long do the inverts last?

Well heat is the biggest killer of electronics. Run them with enough forced air flow to keep temp rise to a minimum (above ambient ) and set the output watts to somewhat less than maximum rated output watts and I'd bet they will last a decade longer than pushing them to the max and especially exposing to high humidities and driving rain. Also you can't even momentarily expose a semiconductor to more voltage than it can stand. Ask any windmill or better yet try to control turbine speed in a hurricane when rotational speed is directly proportional to voltage produced and its in a runaway scenario. Near instant destruction. Same thing goes with loss of grid. Brake had better work.

The Long distance DC power line substation site are supposed to occupy about 40 acres at each end of the line. Most of that area is covered by one humongous building
to keep the elements off semiconductors. Their main function is to change from Ac to DC voltage and back; a whole lot like grid tie solar and wind inverters.

As an aside; ABB (Allen Bradley family) who up until last year owned the Aurora Inverters (formerly PowerOne and now given to Fimer for some 10's of millions in cash to handle "warranty" claims of previously sold ABB inverters tells a story between the lines. It just so happens that ABB solar inverters are identical in hardware. However they certainly aren't interchangeable for use as either wind or solar because of the computer software commands that cause a solar inverter to require constant current such as from a battery(s) or solar panels; whereas the same inverter hooked to a three phase AC wind turbine generator (or a constant voltage genset or a water turbine AC generator etc.) needs what is known as constant voltage

And as an exercise that is worth a fortune; find a way to simply convert output from any common AC Genset to work with any common grid tie solar inverter and I'd personally give you some 100 dollar bills seeing as how they are the largest denomination now available. There has to be some workable schematic to make a simple 10 KW high impedance circuit and thus controllable current needed for solar inverters WHICH ARE THE ONLY GRID TIE CERTIFIED inverters now available. Small scale wind died about 4 years ago. The reputable name brand Grid Tie manufactures all quit manufacturing the with North American certification. Ask SaskPower who only last year dropped small scale Net Metering wind off the renewables list and inserted Carbon Neutral flare gas in its place.

In summary; from what I know. Keep the smoke withinin electronic components; because all it takes to let it out is one episode of overvoltage or short.
Treat them cool and within design parameters and they last virtually forever..

[oneoff]

Just some thoughts:

There is such a thing as scheduled maintenance for utility power plants. They are planned months or years ahead of time. The reason being so that you can count on reliability of equipment because you have prevented failures before they happen. Because those outages are scheduled there is already a plan in place that is so seemless it doesn't afffect reliabilty of production in the least. And thats why its usually distribution issues and not generation that causes outages.

Unlike intermittent power which isn't even as reliable as weather forecasting. All you can count on is hours sufficient for semiconductors to respond at least somewhat during daytime hours. And every time a solar inverter disconnects because of "Waiting on sun" etc means another 300 seconds before the inverter even tries another reconnection to the grid.

That gets kind of annoying when you get used to anything except near 100% reliability we expect and usually get from a utility grid.

[oneoff]

At 4:40pm the smart Utility meter still reads 212 KWh delivered and now 3736Kwh received
To me that means that during todays daylight hours (and I trust throughout the entire night that not one electron will be required to be drawn from the SaskPower grid.

It also means that the 3 phase inverter produced 145 Kwh exported for use somewhere in the utilty grid in that 12 hour period today (or an expected approx 290 Kwh) by the time 24 hours expire.

On the other hand not one Kwh has been reported to be put into the grid by so called solar power producers today. Will tomorrow be any different? What happens when we come to rely on 50% of power needs to be supplied by non existant or intermittent power?. Where's the judge? or did this case get tossed out of court like Mr T*****?

If solar producers intend to take over the job of actually producing power for Sask. the game better start to be upped. This is after all pretty serious business when it is well into the winter season.

[shtferbrains]

Are you on a grid tye meter or are you a small producer selling power to Sask Power?

[malleefarmer]

Thanks oneoff. I dont have solar but I appreciate you keeping chuck tied up in this thread. He has never posted any of his solar fantasy numbers or even any from his farm operations.

Conclusion: delusional activist

I’ve blocked the ole cc2.

He’s semi retired apparently according a to mutual friend concentrating on is it sask wheat or sask pulse or something.

Agriville sure is more pleasant

[oneoff]

hey one-off, can you enlighten me ?
i am slow sometimes
how does this work, have you got a gen set hooked to an oil co gas well flare ?
it might help chuck understand also ?

I'm sorry but I put put together too long a response message and it was rejected by agriville. I did try to put a history of my experiences but it didn't work out this time. Not enough energy to retry tonight.

We formed an oil company; met every departments standards; formed an oil company as required etc etc. You need access to good quality gas without any H2S or equioment won't last. If you have to use processed gas you're going to be subject to carbon taxes maybe up to 170 dollars per tonne CO2 equivalent all probably within the next 9 years.

Do your own diligence. With the right plan you can be very pleasantly surprised; but it isn't free and you don't want to get stuck with abandonment costs for someone else's nightmare. Gaining access to an oil company flare gas liability to be put to your own productive use would be one of the preferred routes; but most companies could be adverse to your liability associated to their public company. The flare gas is and has always been almost considered worthless; especially with single well batteries not on pipelines. Low production fields have lots of marginal wells; but be very careful what you are assuming because they have associated responsibilities and eventual abandonment costs. Thanks

[oneoff]

Are you on a grid tye meter or are you a small producer selling power to Sask Power?

Grid tied. You have to make a proposal during a specific time period for first two years to get into bidding on selling power. Those first two years are now are now closed; but the program could be extended for a third year next fall. Must have more than 100KW generating capacity.

I have posted the list of I believe 12 Oil companies and associates who were approved in Jan 2020. Its one of the earlier posts under my penname

[oneoff]

I’ve blocked the ole cc2.

He’s semi retired apparently according a to mutual friend concentrating on is it sask wheat or sask pulse or something.

Agriville sure is more pleasant

Don't believe every bit of gossip. Only people over 70 should be considered to be semi retired We may all someday come to fully come to terms with recognizing what we don't know.

[Guest]

thanks one-off
no access to wells in the NE swamp , but this is very interesting all the same
look forward to more of your updates
spent many many years drilling those wells and being a farmer , had trouble stomaching the waste that went on in the booms, and could not, for the life of me figure out, why that flaring gas wasn't being used for something
good luck
probably lotsa good reasons for things to be the way they are
also can't understand why there isn't one hydro dam after another on some rivers
also can't understand why there aren't more hybrid vehicles in big smoggy cities? stuff like that
again thanks for an interesting thread !

[malleefarmer]

Don't believe every bit of gossip. Only people over 70 should be considered to be semi retired We may all someday come to fully come to terms with recognizing what we don't know.

I feel over 70 does that count...had a birthday on Wednesday another notch in the belt