Open Challenge....Verifying claims with actual Grid Tie energy production.

[oneoff]

I feel over 70 does that count...had a birthday on Wednesday another notch in the belt

It should be OK to not suffer bullshit well.

[oneoff]

Another new day. Smart meter still stuck on 212 Kwh "del"ivered and now 3881 Kwh total pushed into grid and already "used" by others including every solar power producer still "waiting for sun". Most of that since Dec16/2020

Without some report from at least one solar producer today; it should be fair to say

In the last 2 days; not one Kwh of exported power was reported to this challenge by Agriville readership that documents solar can even contribute ANY usable power to a Utility grid.


That fact can then be used into posterity to confront future fake news on solar energy production being much more than an intermittent complication of an essential electrical energy system.

[chuckChuck]

Very impressive numbers. Congratulations on putting together a unique project in utilizing an unused resource. Too bad that our governments don't require the oil industry to be more proactive in the same way.

But whats the real difference between whether Saskpower burns gas and I receive the electricity via the grid or you produce and use it on site? The only advantage in your case may be the capture and use of a relatively small amount of gas that otherwise would have been wasted. Which has benefits for sure. But unless you have calculated the long term cost of producing each kwh we have no way of comparing the relative cost versus Sask Powers farm rate.

But both you and I know that solar does not provide many kwh at this time of year. I don't need to make a trip out to my inverters everyday to tell you the obvious. There are better uses of my time.

Again I wonder why you are bringing up the challenge at this time of year when almost everybody knows solar production on the prairies is quite small and can't ever replace other non-intermittent sources without storage? Its pretty obvious why now.

On the other hand I produced over 37000 kwh of carbon emission free electricity this year which you don't seem to place any value on. This is an amount greater than my 3 year annual usage which is doing exactly the same thing your kwh are doing.

I have never said intermittent renewables are going to replace fossil sources. But they do have a role in reducing carbon emissions.

If you need more evidence you only have to consider what many utilities including Saskpower are doing with renewables.

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff, Here is some "fake news" on renewables and clean energy tech and trends from the International Energy Agency and Bloomberg. Enjoy!

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2020 https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2020

https://about.bnef.com/ https://about.bnef.com/

Are you sure that renewables are never going to amount to anything? LOL

"Cost reductions and sustained policy support are expected to drive strong renewables growth beyond 2022. Despite the challenges emerging from the Covid crisis, the fundamentals of renewable energy expansion have not changed. Solar PV and onshore wind are already the cheapest ways of adding new electricity-generating plants in most countries today. In countries where good resources and cheap financing are available, wind and solar PV plants will challenge existing fossil fuel plants. Solar projects now offer some of the lowest-cost electricity in history. Overall, renewables are set to account for 95% of the net increase in global power capacity through 2025.

Total installed wind and solar PV capacity is on course to surpass natural gas in 2023 and coal in 2024. Solar PV alone accounts for 60% of all renewable capacity additions through 2025, and wind provides another 30%. Driven by further cost declines, annual offshore wind additions are set to surge, accounting for one-fifth of the total wind annual market in 2025. Offshore’s growth moves beyond Europe to new markets such as China and the United States where ample potential remains. The rapid growth of variable renewables around the world calls for increased policy attention to ensure they are securely and cost-effectively integrated into electricity systems."

[SASKFARMER]

Solar is a joke you know it, Chuck.

Unplug from Sask Power completely.

Turn your gas line off.

Tell me in Spring how well you did.

Now **** off.

[burnt]

Solar is a joke you know it, Chuck.

Unplug from Sask Power completely.

Turn your gas line off.

Tell me in Spring how well you did.

Now **** off.

Now that's what I would call a simple solution to a simple issue.

No wonder governments wouldn't like it - no need for their useless interference.

And it would eliminate a lot of background noise as well!

[oneoff]

Very impressive numbers. Congratulations on putting together a unique project in utilizing an unused resource. Too bad that our governments don't require the oil industry to be more proactive in the same way.

But whats the real difference between whether Saskpower burns gas and I receive the electricity via the grid or you produce and use it on site? The only advantage in your case may be the capture and use of a relatively small amount of gas that otherwise would have been wasted. Which has benefits for sure. But unless you have calculated the long term cost of producing each kwh we have no way of comparing the relative cost versus Sask Powers farm rate.

But both you and I know that solar does not provide many kwh at this time of year. I don't need to make a trip out to my inverters everyday to tell you the obvious. There are better uses of my time.

Again I wonder why you are bringing up the challenge at this time of year when almost everybody knows solar production on the prairies is quite small and can't ever replace other non-intermittent sources without storage? Its pretty obvious why now.

On the other hand I produced over 37000 kwh of carbon emission free electricity this year which you don't seem to place any value on. This is an amount greater than my 3 year annual usage which is doing exactly the same thing your kwh are doing.

I have never said intermittent renewables are going to replace fossil sources. But they do have a role in reducing carbon emissions.

If you need more evidence you only have to consider what many utilities including Saskpower are doing with renewables.

Why is it so hard to even plainly say what your excess production was on Dec.19 and 20. On June 21 would you be as adverse about bragging about 25 KW output times maybe 14 or more hours.

It wouldn't hurt to admit that a side benefit of cogenerating and also using some of previously vented gas for space heating maybe 25000 square feet of floor area saves on equivalent usage of Sask Energy processed gas.

Maybe it boils down to a solar system (particularly the old granndfathered contract no longer available) has substantial benefits for early adopters. But it comes largely at everyone else's expense.

What is also true is that this will not last. The writing is on the wall for "peak billing" and times of use variable charging of energy consumed.

Smart meters and computer billing can do that in a nanosecond....and everyone can come to terms with that eventuality.

Its also when another futile effort will be made to prove that a solar operation will be impacted multiple times more than my setup.

Oh I wish it would happen this morning while this thought is frresh in everone's mind. STORAGE COSTS COME AT EVERYONE ELSE'S EXPENSE

[chuckChuck]

SF, you should stick to posting ****tail recipes which you seem to know something about and leave the electricity production discussion to others. LOL

[chuckChuck]

Why is it so hard to even plainly say what your excess production was on Dec.19 and 20. On June 21 would you be as adverse about bragging about 25 KW output times maybe 14 or more hours.

It wouldn't hurt to admit that a side benefit of cogenerating and also using some of previously vented gas for space heating maybe 25000 square feet of floor area saves on equivalent usage of Sask Energy processed gas.

Maybe it boils down to a solar system (particularly the old granndfathered contract no longer available) has substantial benefits for early adopters. But it comes largely at everyone else's expense.

What is also true is that this will not last. The writing is on the wall for "peak billing" and times of use variable charging of energy consumed.

Smart meters and computer billing can do that in a nanosecond....and everyone can come to terms with that eventuality.

Its also when another futile effort will be made to prove that a solar operation will be impacted multiple times more than my setup.

Oh I wish it would happen this morning while this thought is frresh in everone's mind. STORAGE COSTS COME AT EVERYONE ELSE'S EXPENSE

Cogeneration is great and I already mentioned that.

So what is the cost for Saskpower to provide and administer a net meter contract service for my solar or your gas system?

The grandfathered solar contract is substantially better than the existing contract. But anybody could have signed up when it was available. And effectively Saskpower gets all the carbon credits from my solar system. So what is the system lifetime value of the carbon credits worth for a 25kw system?

Farmers already receive a subsidized farm rate below what it costs to deliver electricity to a small number of widely dispersed customers.

So if you are worried about some customers getting subsidized by others why are you focused only on solar?

[chuckChuck]

Greenhouse Gas Calculator
https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gas-equivalencies-calculator https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gas-equivalencies-calculator

According to the US EPA 37000 kwh of electricity is equal to 26.2 metric tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent. That seems high but believe it or not according to the EPA one pound of coal equals more than 2 pounds of CO2 equivalent. ( 1.)

I am assuming that this is a very rough estimate and there are a lot of variables to consider which may not apply in any particular avoided emissions scenario.

But if you were wondering what is the value of carbon credits be for 37000 kwh of solar electricity this might be a rough guide.

So just for fun lets assume my solar system is paid for by 2030 and I am receiving credit for 37000 kwh (26.2mt) of carbon less electricity production at the proposed $170 per tonne carbon tax value. That amounts to $4454 per year.

Fire away....

1. When coal is burned, the carbon in the coal combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide. One molecule of carbon dioxide is 3.67 times heavier than a molecule of carbon, due to the additional weight of the two oxygen atoms. Coal is not 100 percent carbon: burning a pound of coal emits 2.07 pounds of CO2. The calculations and sources for this information can be found on the Equivalencies Calculator’s Calculations and References page.

[oneoff]

All solar power producers just cooperate and read your inverters (and Utility grid meters) a couple of times to reveak all the facts that should go into making the jump to trying to offset anyone's power bill. You already signed a contract with the utility giving them the full right to that information. You got the rebate cheque that paid you for that consent and you owe that information to all those who are contemplating following in your footsteps. This is somewhat dishonest conduct (in my mind).

And after a bit more thought...that initial comment about only excess production exported to the grid show up on the "rec"eived meter reading.....if there is a desire for honest discussion....all that has to be done is to read the inverter energy production for the same time period as the "rec" utility meter covered. Game , set and match period. Please leave any further injected distraction to a seperate post. As the minister may have said "this annoys the Beegeezus out of me"
And don't come back with "You've done exactly the same". I pledge to donate every nickel that may be received from any government grant for renewable energy production....providing chuck (and also hope fully any others who may feel some twinge of remorse) agree to do so.

For the record I have not seen a dime.

[chuckChuck]

Current meter reading as of yesterday:
del -60161
rec - 43963

As I have already explained the net meters don't record solar power that is used first on site before the meter. It only records electricity produced in excess of consumption and what is delivered when demand exceeds supply or the solar is not generating.

In my case the harvest of 2019 resulted in way above average annual consumption for drying grain with fans.

There is no need to report daily amounts from solar in December because the kwh produced is very small as we both know. Ideally we should be collecting the production data with a data connection which is possible. But I don't have that option. You can go to any solar site that does post their data if you are interested in daily reports.

You won the production challenge. Congratulations!

But you didn't deny that Saskatchewan farmers already receive a subsidized farm rate below what it costs to deliver electricity to a relatively small number of widely dispersed customers. Agree or disagree?

But what about the carbon emission counter challenge?

You going to ignore my counter challenge?

How much carbon dioxide equivalent did you emit?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

For reference, Brooks solar farm capacity factor for the pas week, 3.4%.
Can probably extrapolate that to other grid tied solar in Sask. Most such as Chuck's would be further north than brooks, so adjust accordingly.

[FarmJunkie]

One thing u gotta give Chuckie is he never wavers from living in delusion. Everything could be blowing up around he but the solar panels still work and the wind mill keeps turning even in the dark and dead calm. U guys waste too much time arguing with someone u would never let in your bunker.

[Oliver88]

For reference, Brooks solar farm capacity factor for the pas week, 3.4%.
Can probably extrapolate that to other grid tied solar in Sask. Most such as Chuck's would be further north than brooks, so adjust accordingly.
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3.4% capacity for solar in southern AB.
When you also factor in the fossil fuels to manufacture the solar panels and the pollution involved to dispose of the panels this is all about virtue signalling but regardless it will be interesting to see more examples and results.