Open Challenge....Verifying claims with actual Grid Tie energy production.

[oneoff]

All solar power producers just cooperate and read your inverters (and Utility grid meters) a couple of times to reveak all the facts that should go into making the jump to trying to offset anyone's power bill. You already signed a contract with the utility giving them the full right to that information. You got the rebate cheque that paid you for that consent and you owe that information to all those who are contemplating following in your footsteps. This is somewhat dishonest conduct (in my mind).

And after a bit more thought...that initial comment about only excess production exported to the grid show up on the "rec"eived meter reading.....if there is a desire for honest discussion....all that has to be done is to read the inverter energy production for the same time period as the "rec" utility meter covered. Game , set and match period. Please leave any further injected distraction to a seperate post. As the minister may have said "this annoys the Beegeezus out of me"
And don't come back with "You've done exactly the same". I pledge to donate every nickel that may be received from any government grant for renewable energy production....providing chuck (and also hope fully any others who may feel some twinge of remorse) agree to do so.

For the record I have not seen a dime.

[chuckChuck]

Current meter reading as of yesterday:
del -60161
rec - 43963

As I have already explained the net meters don't record solar power that is used first on site before the meter. It only records electricity produced in excess of consumption and what is delivered when demand exceeds supply or the solar is not generating.

In my case the harvest of 2019 resulted in way above average annual consumption for drying grain with fans.

There is no need to report daily amounts from solar in December because the kwh produced is very small as we both know. Ideally we should be collecting the production data with a data connection which is possible. But I don't have that option. You can go to any solar site that does post their data if you are interested in daily reports.

You won the production challenge. Congratulations!

But you didn't deny that Saskatchewan farmers already receive a subsidized farm rate below what it costs to deliver electricity to a relatively small number of widely dispersed customers. Agree or disagree?

But what about the carbon emission counter challenge?

You going to ignore my counter challenge?

How much carbon dioxide equivalent did you emit?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

For reference, Brooks solar farm capacity factor for the pas week, 3.4%.
Can probably extrapolate that to other grid tied solar in Sask. Most such as Chuck's would be further north than brooks, so adjust accordingly.

[FarmJunkie]

One thing u gotta give Chuckie is he never wavers from living in delusion. Everything could be blowing up around he but the solar panels still work and the wind mill keeps turning even in the dark and dead calm. U guys waste too much time arguing with someone u would never let in your bunker.

[Oliver88]

For reference, Brooks solar farm capacity factor for the pas week, 3.4%.
Can probably extrapolate that to other grid tied solar in Sask. Most such as Chuck's would be further north than brooks, so adjust accordingly.
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3.4% capacity for solar in southern AB.
When you also factor in the fossil fuels to manufacture the solar panels and the pollution involved to dispose of the panels this is all about virtue signalling but regardless it will be interesting to see more examples and results.

[oneoff]

One thing u gotta give Chuckie is he never wavers from living in delusion. Everything could be blowing up around he but the solar panels still work and the wind mill keeps turning even in the dark and dead calm. U guys waste too much time arguing with someone u would never let in your bunker.

You're right AND Sask Power does claim Flare gas electrical generation is "Carbon Neutral" as far as that utility is concerned As has often been remarked by others "Go argue that with Sask Power"

It still is important for prospective solar producers to know if it would be equally productive to put solar array into full hibernation mode for the months of December and January; and effect of solar cell over time; and figuring out effect of forest fire smoke etc. etc.

But for some personal reasons, there appears to be a reluctance to cooperate. That I will remember; and it sure looks like I get to keep any rebate that may arrive.

As for Carbon tax transfers. All I see is an exemption from carbon taxes, which is to the benefit of the individual producer. While the Utility may be forced to collect a Federal tax.. its certainly not clear they get to keep any part of that money.

[chuckChuck]

You're right AND Sask Power does claim Flare gas electrical generation is "Carbon Neutral" as far as that utility is concerned As has often been remarked by others "Go argue that with Sask Power"

It still is important for prospective solar producers to know if it would be equally productive to put solar array into full hibernation mode for the months of December and January; and effect of solar cell over time; and figuring out effect of forest fire smoke etc. etc.

But for some personal reasons, there appears to be a reluctance to cooperate. That I will remember; and it sure looks like I get to keep any rebate that may arrive.

As for Carbon tax transfers. All I see is an exemption from carbon taxes, which is to the benefit of the individual producer. While the Utility may be forced to collect a Federal tax.. its certainly not clear they get to keep any part of that money.

I am not sure how Sask Power can claim that flare gas generation is carbon neutral when burning natural gas releases carbon. It's certainly a good practice and something that should be encouraged instead of wasting it in a flare stack.

We already know that solar production on the prairies in December and January is very low. We don't need my actual daily inverter numbers to prove something we already know.

Are you sure that you get to keep any rebate for your "carbon neutral" gas generation? You better read the fine print of the net metering contract with Sask Power to make sure. If it is considered carbon neutral, which it isn't in reality, the only benefit would be you won't have to pay a carbon tax. So I expect they are using it as an incentive to encourage its adoption.

As you stated one of the benefits of solar electricity is there is no carbon tax on solar produced electricity.

But you still need to quantify in the real real world how much carbon you are emitting to be part of the carbon emissions challenge. Why are you so reluctant to offer us an estimate? I will be waiting for your cooperation.

[Hamloc]

I am not sure how Sask Power can claim that flare gas generation is carbon neutral when burning natural gas releases carbon. It's certainly a good practice and something that should be encouraged instead of wasting it in a flare stack.

We already know that solar production on the prairies in December and January is very low. We don't need my actual daily inverter numbers to prove something we already know.

Are you sure that you get to keep any rebate for your "carbon neutral" gas generation? You better read the fine print of the net metering contract with Sask Power to make sure. If it is considered carbon neutral, which it isn't in reality, the only benefit would be you won't have to pay a carbon tax. So I expect they are using it as an incentive to encourage its adoption.

As you stated one of the benefits of solar electricity is there is no carbon tax on solar produced electricity.

But you still need to quantify in the real real world how much carbon you are emitting to be part of the carbon emissions challenge. Why are you so reluctant to offer us an estimate? I will be waiting for your cooperation.

I must have missed something I thought the challenge was about electricity production. Just looked at Brooks solar installation output, 1:15 pm, sunny where I am doesn’t mean it is sunny in Brooks, only producing at 5 mw on a 15 mw installation. Chuck2 I have asked you this question twice before maybe you will answer it now as your so focused on C02 emissions. Do you support Justin Trudeau’s $170 by 2030 carbon tax?! Will it affect the bottom line of your farm?!

[Hamloc]

I am not sure how Sask Power can claim that flare gas generation is carbon neutral when burning natural gas releases carbon. It's certainly a good practice and something that should be encouraged instead of wasting it in a flare stack.

We already know that solar production on the prairies in December and January is very low. We don't need my actual daily inverter numbers to prove something we already know.

Are you sure that you get to keep any rebate for your "carbon neutral" gas generation? You better read the fine print of the net metering contract with Sask Power to make sure. If it is considered carbon neutral, which it isn't in reality, the only benefit would be you won't have to pay a carbon tax. So I expect they are using it as an incentive to encourage its adoption.

As you stated one of the benefits of solar electricity is there is no carbon tax on solar produced electricity.

But you still need to quantify in the real real world how much carbon you are emitting to be part of the carbon emissions challenge. Why are you so reluctant to offer us an estimate? I will be waiting for your cooperation.

One other thing Chuck2, I was listening to Michael Campbell on his radio show money talks yesterday morning and he mentioned a quote from Chrystia Freeland made in an interview with Edward Luce from the Financial Times. So I googled it, the article was published on January 24, 2020. He was quizzing her about climate change and here is part of her response:”But we’re realistic. Even if all Canadians ceased emitting carbon we wouldn’t move the dial. A big part of our task needs to be leading the multilateral challenge.” So here we have Chrystia Freeland who was just appointed finance minister admitting the truth, doesn’t happen very often with a Liberal!!

[SASKFARMER]

Like I said chuck unplug from sask power and shut the natural gas off and tell me in spring how well you did .

Your the expert if you believe the bullshit then live it.

All the power to you.

Enjoy.