You want to compete against a US treasury??????

[bucket]

For those of you who want no government payments and think going against the US treasury is a good idea for your farm.....what does this do to the markets you price your grain off and the cost of your machinery????

Crop farmers will receive $20 an acre payments under the $900 billion emergency aid deal reached by Congress on Sunday.
The aid package comes as Congress is trying to close out 2020 and fund the federal government for the rest of its fiscal year. The House and Senate each approved one-day extensions on Sunday to reach a final deal on the aid package and overall federal funding for the rest of fiscal-year 2021.
Specifically, the bill includes an estimated $5 billion that will provide supplemental $20 per-acre payments to all row-crop producers, according to details releases by Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., ranking member of the Senate Agriculture Committee.
Another $3 billion will provide payments to cattle producers, contract growers of livestock and poultry, dairy farmers and livestock producers who were forced to euthanize their livestock or poultry because of the pandemic and its impacts on the supply chain. Another $225 million will be provides for supplemental payments to specialty-crop growers who lost their crops in 2019.

Overall, the aid bill includes $13 billion set aside for food purchases and direct support for farmers and ranchers.



While our provincial governments and farm groups argue about agristability for nearly 8 years ...this recent announcement by the US government puts direct payments under the Trump administration at nearly 100 billion Canadian ....

food for thought...

[bucket]

And to be clear...western canadian agriculture has been left out....

While some pump their chest about not wanting government handouts ...think about stronger communities and bringing in the next generation to farm....

5th generation farmers that sit on checkoff boards don't seem to grasp the concept...because none of them understand the previous generations received direct payments which is part of the reason they are farming today.

[SASKFARMER]

We are one bunch of stupid ****ers out west.

How dumb it is that western farmers think they can compete with Russia and Ukraine and then the USA treasury to sell our crop with zero help from Ottawa or the provinces.

Throw on top a ****ing carbon tax and seed tax and were off to the races.

You cant keep paying and paying and not get anything back.

Do you think Russia has superior wheat varieties, HAHAHA they are over here trying to get ours that we paid for from trusty seed growers in Canada. to distribute to Russian farmers.

Canadians get ****ed every day but we just must like it because no one wants to fight back.

[bucket]

Do you think Russia has superior wheat varieties, HAHAHA they are over here trying to get ours that we paid for from trusty seed growers in Canada. to distribute to Russian farmers.



Two or three 40 tonne containers of seed from Canada will do the trick....been happening for quite a while...

Why do you think seed growers filled the room back in the fall of 2018 for consultations...

[SASKFARMER]

Oh, no kidding then supposed to compete with all our costs against this bullshit.

No rules because these countries know they have money coming into a country and people working creating wealth.

Here in insane Canada were looked like a liability.

Then throw in the price were paid is based on USA prices. Min wheat and soy.

They get up to 60 an acre from feds that drive down our prices but let's grow more to cover the difference.

Let's all pay a seed tax and Carbon tax.

**** I hate being Canadian.

[SASKFARMER]

I would bounce between our two places and enjoy my time.

[chuckChuck]

Yes but the US is driving up the deficit with 900 billion in additional spending! Aren't you guys all opposed to running massive deficits? What happened to your fiscal conservative values? LOL

[Misterjade9]

Yes but the US is driving up the deficit with 900 billion in additional spending! Aren't you guys all opposed to running massive deficits? What happened to your fiscal conservative values? LOL

Chuck Squared, that is the silliest comment I think you have ever made. This government is spending us into oblivion anyways. Do you not agree that maybe some of the Covid relief money that went to foreign students, foreign governments and even the CERB, which has been reported to have been over funded by an est. 30B dollars, should have went into our food production and food safety. We now know why the CERB was over funded, it is because it will now be used as an election tool come this spring. I will ask you this question, of all the money that this government has spent what do you as see the long term benefit to Canada? This pandemic has highlighted all the flaws in our healthcare system, but yet there has been no major influx of spending on the health system, in relative comparison to what the government has sent overseas. In fact last week when the premiers asked for an increase to Federal health care transfers they were told they would have to wait. Again I ask, of the nearly 400B dollars spent without a budget, where do you see that it will have a positive long term benefit for the people of Canada?

[GDR]

Bucket, to be clear are you asking for more dryland farmers to get irrigation support? I think you should quit advocating for that, too many of us feel enough government money has been spent on those projects. Enough already!

[Sheepwheat]

Yup, 20 buck an acre.

My one neighbor gets 400 000. He outbids, knocks on doors, waves the chequebook at prospective landlords. He needs the 400 000.

My other neighbor gets 18 000. He has been trying to compete with neighbor number one, to find land that could help him become viable someday. He could be the future, while the other guy is retirement age.

Sounds fair, real fair.

Devils advocate bucket. Er, maybe just advocating that any payment should be based on actual need, not desire.

[sumdumguy]

Canadian Agriculture is a winner, all right SF. 👎 No one wants to dirty their hands in a show-down.

[malleefarmer]

Is it right fair moral that farmers get subsidies etc?

We get 39 cents per litre back for or diesel fuel and 28c for gas.

Basically road taxes etc in cost fuel farmer fisheries forestry get rebate.

That’s it for us. Sink or swim after that.

[bucket]

Bucket, to be clear are you asking for more dryland farmers to get irrigation support? I think you should quit advocating for that, too many of us feel enough government money has been spent on those projects. Enough already!

Nope not advocating for more irrigation support ...if a farmer wants irrigation he can write the cheque and get the same subsidy as dryland farmers....

In the US, some programs are based on production....others are a simple per acre payment....I doubt they have anything as stupid as agristabilty


In Canada .. farmers are treated with little value...another 100000 irrigation acres won't increase production to offset the capital costs...compared to keeping 30 million acres of dryland helping the economy for far less than the irrigation.

[Sheepwheat]

Is it right fair moral that farmers get subsidies etc?

We get 39 cents per litre back for or diesel fuel and 28c for gas.

Basically road taxes etc in cost fuel farmer fisheries forestry get rebate.

That’s it for us. Sink or swim after that.

When I drive through this area, there are next to zero farms I see that seem to need help imho. Not anymore. Things changed this last decade. Every farm, bar none, or extremely few, has made extreme strides in size, in iron, bin building, in rent values. Whether it is expansion based on increased land values, or genuine cash available after taxes, most sure seem to be doing pretty darn good.

If it is not actually accurate and true, well, the facade can only last so long...

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, no one is holding a gun to our head...

[bucket]

Yup, 20 buck an acre.

My one neighbor gets 400 000. He outbids, knocks on doors, waves the chequebook at prospective landlords. He needs the 400 000.

My other neighbor gets 18 000. He has been trying to compete with neighbor number one, to find land that could help him become viable someday. He could be the future, while the other guy is retirement age.

Sounds fair, real fair.

Devils advocate bucket. Er, maybe just advocating that any payment should be based on actual need, not desire.

There are farms that with each member having a company got multiples of the CEBA payment....then they used the government grant money to make their agri-invest payment ...government money to get more government money...