Lets do a poll. Best heat source for your house. 4 choices.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Sure gas leaks and liquids spill, what does that have to do with hydraulic fracturing? You obvious don’t understand what that is, it is just a well stimulation technique. It is not an open wellhead to the atmosphere.

I would like your comments on points 1 and 2 that explains what happens when fracking takes place It is not spilling petro as you suggest. It is releasing 40 to 60 percent more methane than conventional natural gas wells

2.Fracking releases large amounts of natural gas – which consists of both CO2 and methane – directly into the atmosphere. In fact, fracking wells leak 40 to 60 per cent more methane than conventional natural gas wells.

3 This happens when water is forced down into a fracking well in order to fracture the rock formations. Methane flows up the well and is released into the atmosphere before it can be captured.

[Taiga]

I would like your comments on points 1 and 2 that explains what happens when fracking takes place It is not spilling petro as you suggest. It is releasing 40 to 60 percent more methane than conventional natural gas wells

2.Fracking releases large amounts of natural gas – which consists of both CO2 and methane – directly into the atmosphere. In fact, fracking wells leak 40 to 60 per cent more methane than conventional natural gas wells.

3 This happens when water is forced down into a fracking well in order to fracture the rock formations. Methane flows up the well and is released into the atmosphere before it can be captured.

May be a small amount of entrained gas in the flowback water that is released when stored on surface.
40 to 60% more of ‘negligible’ equates to … ‘almost negligible’.

[Hamloc]

Please don't read or take the time to respond or inform yourself.
You feel you know more than the scientists from Cornell. All I can say is good for you.

Here is the study for folks like me that may want to take the time to read and understand. Large amounts of methane and CO2 are released from hydrulic fracking. Methane is a harmfull greenhouse gas

https://naturaljustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/FA-12-Howarth-RichardsBayReview.pdf

Study was done in the U.S. I believe Canadian standards would be far more stringent in relation to fracking.

As for the original premise of this thread, ideal house heating fuel is natural gas imo. My second choice would be wood. In my area there is certainly plenty of deadfall available for heating fuel.

[Integrity_Farmer]

May be a small amount of entrained gas in the flowback water that is released when stored on surface.
40 to 60% more of ‘negligible’ equates to … ‘almost negligible’.

Your comments are hyperbole and represent nothing scientific or factual. You claim to know more than these scientists and yet provide no analysis. Your arguments are based totally on willful ignorance.

Methane in particular is a very powerful greenhouse gas. It can trap 20 to 25 times more heat in the atmosphere than CO2
. Two Cornell scientists who have been studying fracking in the U.S. estimate that in the next 20 years methane will make up 44 per cent of the U.S.’s GHG emissions.
Along with contributing to global warming pollution, methane leaks kill plants and trees, contribute to ozone formation, and causes natural gas explosions, which have resulted in an average of 17 deaths and 68 injuries per year in the United States alone.

Fracking is also a health risk
Residents living amidst the shale gas boom in northeastern B.C. say the industry is making them sick — and their call for government action is being backed by medical health officers.

Shale gas fracking — blasting water, sand and chemicals into deep, underground rocks to release natural gas — has become a multi-billion dollar industry in northeastern B.C.

But several farmers who live near gas fields in the Dawson Creek area told CBC News they fear the boom is making them sick, and they are demanding a public health inquiry.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/shale-gas-boom-making-us-sick-say-b-c-residents-1.1061342

[Integrity_Farmer]

Study was done in the U.S. I believe Canadian standards would be far more stringent in relation to fracking.

As for the original premise of this thread, ideal house heating fuel is natural gas imo. My second choice would be wood. In my area there is certainly plenty of deadfall available for heating fuel.

Alberta Energy Regulator
What stingent regulations do you have in Alberta???? from article "Cleaning up Alberta's fossil fuel industry could cost an estimated $260 billion, internal regulatory documents warn.

The staggering financial liabilities for the energy industry’s graveyard of spent facilities were spelled out by a high-ranking official of the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) in a February presentation to a private audience in Calgary".

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/11/01/news/alberta-regulator-privately-estimates-oilpatchs-financial-liabilities-are-hundreds

[Integrity_Farmer]

Study was done in the U.S. I believe Canadian standards would be far more stringent in relation to fracking.

As for the original premise of this thread, ideal house heating fuel is natural gas imo. My second choice would be wood. In my area there is certainly plenty of deadfall available for heating fuel.

Alberta Energy Regulator
What stingent regulations do you have in Alberta???? from article "Cleaning up Alberta's fossil fuel industry could cost an estimated $260 billion, internal regulatory documents warn.

The staggering financial liabilities for the energy industry’s graveyard of spent facilities were spelled out by a high-ranking official of the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) in a February presentation to a private audience in Calgary".

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/11/01/news/alberta-regulator-privately-estimates-oilpatchs-financial-liabilities-are-hundreds

[farming101]

Natural Gas storage capacity in Canada is equal to 19.4 billion Tesla Powerwalls

That's what's needed to power modern life in a cold climate

https://www.cga.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CGA-by-the-Numbers_The-battery-no-one-talks-about-Natural-gas-storage-in-Canada.pdf

[Taiga]

Sorry buds, I live in and work in the Montney every day, you don’t know what your talking about. A couple of stories from the Narwhal news probably aren’t the best choice for someone obviously uninformed to get up to speed on industry, but good luck on your campaign.

[blackpowder]

And that right there Taiga is the heart of most issues today. You handled it with more aplomb than I could. But seems a waste of energy to dispute after all.

[Hamloc]

I am going to give this argument a little reality check.
1 gigajoule of natural gas is equivalent to 277 kwh of electricity.
In November I used 30 gigajoules of natural gas for heat and just under 2000 kwh of electricity.
If I convert the natural gas to electricity equivalent I used 344 kwh per day.
Researching online I found a calculator that told me where I live in Alberta a 1000 watt solar array would produce 1.33 kwh per day in December with the panels south facing and at 60 degrees. Following calculation: 344/1.33 x 1000 = 258646 watts of solar array.
At 320 watts per panel this would require 808 panels. At $1 a watt just for the panels obviously $258646!
Still have to buy racking, level the sight, inverters wiring on and on. Then we have to size the battery array so that I have energy for 24 hours a day.

Integrity Farmer, Chuck2 please explain to me again how practical solar power is and why natural gas is so bad, fml!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I am going to give this argument a little reality check.
1 gigajoule of natural gas is equivalent to 277 kwh of electricity.
In November I used 30 gigajoules of natural gas for heat and just under 2000 kwh of electricity.
If I convert the natural gas to electricity equivalent I used 344 kwh per day.
Researching online I found a calculator that told me where I live in Alberta a 1000 watt solar array would produce 1.33 kwh per day in December with the panels south facing and at 60 degrees. Following calculation: 344/1.33 x 1000 = 258646 watts of solar array.
At 320 watts per panel this would require 808 panels. At $1 a watt just for the panels obviously $258646!
Still have to buy racking, level the sight, inverters wiring on and on. Then we have to size the battery array so that I have energy for 24 hours a day.

Integrity Farmer, Chuck2 please explain to me again how practical solar power is and why natural gas is so bad, fml!

But chuck said you can just store it in your Tesla or F150 lightning. You would only need 5 Tesla's to get through a day/night. Assuming its never cloudy or overcast, so add another $300,000 to your estimate.

[Hamloc]

But chuck said you can just store it in your Tesla or F150 lightning. You would only need 5 Tesla's to get through a day/night. Assuming its never cloudy or overcast, so add another $300,000 to your estimate.

If I assume that 6 hours of the day I am running off solar and the remaining 18 hrs I am running off storage I would need a minimum of 258 kwh of storage. A Tesla powerwall 2 stores 13.5 kwh of electricity with a 90% yield. So 12 kwh of useable electricity, so I would need 22 powerwall’s. Kuby Energy is the only Canadian price I found, on their website they give a price range of $18000 to $25000 for the powerwall which includes shipping and installation. At $18000 a piece, total price is $396000. 5 Tesla cars would actually be cheaper and in the summer when not as much storage is required you could drive them lol.

I am guessing but if the solar panels alone are over $250000, the finished solar array should come in just under $500000. Add storage ranging in cost between $300-400000 and then of course the cost of putting in electric heating equipment. At present my electricity and natural gas bill for the year is roughly $7500. Solar looks very affordable lol!!