A climate success story: How Alberta got off coal power

[chuckChuck]

Look at the capacity factor BSR1 for the last day! And current production is almost maxed out. Alberta has one of the best wind resource profiles in all of Canada. Especially with all the "hot air" coming out of A5. LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If it makes you feel any better Chuck, you are in good company with your ignorance of weather in Alberta.
Leonardo Dicaprio doesn't know what a chinook is either.
But surprisingly CBC does. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/leonardo-dicaprio-chinooks-climate-change-1.3358972&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjr-sDqgP7tAhXYrZ4KHaDaA0YQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2xu3 TfROQjO_uktFG2h_fZ https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/leonardo-dicaprio-chinooks-climate-change-1.3358972&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjr-sDqgP7tAhXYrZ4KHaDaA0YQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2xu3 TfROQjO_uktFG2h_fZ

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So how does showing that wind farms make electricity when the wind blows thanks to a strong Chinook in any way prove that it is in phase with demand?
Affordable?
Doing anything to curb CO2 emissions?
Scalable?
In fact, it proves exactly what I am saying, in the winter, in Alberta, wind power peaks at exactly the wrong times. And solar doesn't even peak, but if you call it a peak, it too is at exactly the wrong time.

If we cut off all oxygen to the patient half the time at random times, sometimes for days at a time, then make up for it by giving him twice as much as he needs in between times, what will be the outcome?

[Hamloc]

So how does showing that wind farms make electricity when the wind blows thanks to a strong Chinook in any way prove that it is in phase with demand?
Affordable?
Doing anything to curb CO2 emissions?
Scalable?
In fact, it proves exactly what I am saying, in the winter, in Alberta, wind power peaks at exactly the wrong times. And solar doesn't even peak, but if you call it a peak, it too is at exactly the wrong time.

If we cut off all oxygen to the patient half the time at random times, sometimes for days at a time, then make up for it by giving him twice as much as he needs in between times, what will be the outcome?

Certainly agree and the fact that in reality no amount of battery storage can make up for the historically proven periods when there is no wind or solar resource in the middle of an arctic high in winter in Alberta for periods that can be longer than a week! Can wind generate power? Absolutely but not in a manner that would ever eliminate the need for some sort of dependable rapidly scaleable back up generation and no one in the green dream community ever accounts for this cost!!!

[Guest]

Arctic highs in NE Sk deep in the swamp can last 6 weeks
Not like Vancouver or toronto

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Arctic highs in NE Sk deep in the swamp can last 6 weeks
Not like Vancouver or toronto

Not that much different than Vancouver where the Sun neglects to shine for months on end.

[oneoff]

Is the occasional concession that "diesel will be required for a long time" or that an intermittent energy source has periods of good "capacity factor"; or that organic food production absolutely mustl replace the chemical fertilizer/herbicide poisoned food of present day farming that currently sustains the masses who would otherwise starve.
What is not acknowledged is the self interests of such souls who benefit most from the positions they have created for themselves.

Looking at the picture from that of a common consumer who don't require 60,000 Kwh of electricity a year; who doesn't get fuel delivered by tridem fuel trucks; doesn't even have a garden let alone produces food for fussy eaters in some other continent who can pay for the sales pitch that what goes through their digestive system produces no CO2 or noxious gas.

Now without the smart move to cash in on lucrative grants and rebate (which soon was discontinued because it was unsustainable without increasing everyone else's power bills) those early adopter solar setups would still be in their boxes. I'm talking the 4Kw average 25KW rated systems that gave a grant on each watt of the 25000 watts of 61 cents. Thats SIX TIMES more grant than any other system that doesn't have full baseload capacity.

And that brings up a new term called "capacity factor" . Since it can go from 0 percent to 80 to 90 percent within minutes or hours; we must conclude that a 15% intermittent supply certainly can't instantaneously make up for all the periods of zero production; let alone the partial production periods etc. Who should give a shit about what capacity factors measure.

And what is the sense of showing that relying (or depending) on unavailable organic food for everyone in North America; let alone exports by the trainload is within the current capability of its promoters.

Keep your eyes on self interests; when someone isn't inviting competition in what has worked out really well for themselves. Everyone else is paying for it...and their agenda will become clear...and we will suffer the impacts disguised as how much worse it would have been had we not paid that $170+ per tonne carbon taxes;

I was going to not have the last word; but have now decided otherwise.

[Guest]

Not that much different than Vancouver where the Sun neglects to shine for months on end.

we get the added benefit of -30 to -40

[oneoff]

Try to disassociate what may apply to a unique early adopter position;.......as compared to what the rest of a province customers need and can afford. That challenge is fair because it comes at expense of all others.

Even take a look at the current rules of no SaskPower subsidy and 2 KW electricity injected entitles 1Kw returned within the next three years.

Please get back to us on your newly recalculated payout period; and the economics of the generated power being effectively half what it is now worth to every generator who may wish to replicate early adopter's experiences; but will find that the rules have been necessarily changed.

In summary; how does it feel to have your hand in everyone else's pocket?

[chuckChuck]

Alberta could lead Canada in wind and solar power by 2025, expert says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/alberta-wind-and-solar-future-1.5728757 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/alberta-wind-and-solar-future-1.5728757

"Growth in Alberta's renewable energy sector should continue its upward trend, experts say, with one forecast anticipating a surge of projects that could have the province poised to be the Canadian leader in utility-scale wind and solar capacity as early as 2025.

Rystad Energy tracks utility-scale wind and solar assets with at least one MWac (megawatt alternating current) in capacity. It forecasts that 83 per cent of the combined utility-scale wind and solar capacity built in Canada over the next five years will be in Alberta. That wouldn't include smaller renewable development such as residential rooftop solar."

"According to the data that Rystad tracks, Alberta's current renewable capacity includes 0.1 gigawatt (GW) of solar and 1.8 GW of wind. By 2025, it expects that to grow to 1.8 GW of solar and 6.5 GW of wind."