No pressure eh !

[Old Cowzilla]

Two graincos told me yesterday grain delivery space for Sept,Oct just about full. So if i want to sell some off combine I better get crackin and price some or something. Right now moisture conditions here good for 10 bu crop canola. Must be quite a few guys contracting more than that , ( shoot the moon ).

[bucket]

Meanwhile in my neighbourhood ...and I know you guys are sick of me saying it.....there sits a Viterra 10000 tonne concrete elevator beside a rail line ...empty and not used...

But the other Viterra elevators at Gardiner Dam Terminal and Moose Jaw probably pick up some of that 80000 tonne capacity ( when you factor in the turns )..

G3 is building a new elevator at Swift Current over an hour away ...don't know if their prices can compensate for the tires fuel depreciation time...or the trucking bill...


Especially when there are 2 elevators between my farm and Swift Current

[bucket]

Bucket say it all you want it's true !

maybe get the last laugh ...they could have used that elevator to buy my flax off the combine at 13 to 14.50 at harvest time .... and I would have been happy with no regrets....other farmers have said the same thing around here....they could have 10000 tonnes of flax and gained the more than 4 bucks a bushel themselves ...no one would have known or cared....

At a 4 buck spread Viterra could have made 1.5 million on a single turn at a single elevator......but why use facts...

[LEP]

maybe get the last laugh ...they could have used that elevator to buy my flax off the combine at 13 to 14.50 at harvest time .... and I would have been happy with no regrets....other farmers have said the same thing around here....they could have 10000 tonnes of flax and gained the more than 4 bucks a bushel themselves ...no one would have known or cared....

At a 4 buck spread Viterra could have made 1.5 million on a single turn at a single elevator......but why use facts...

You do realize the grain companies would never be that long on flax? They don't buy grain to sit on. They buy grain to sell or that they already have sales on, they move it and repeat.

[bucket]

You do realize the grain companies would never be that long on flax? They don't buy grain to sit on. They buy grain to sell or that they already have sales on, they move it and repeat.

Let me try again....the EYEBROW elevator is a 10000 tonne concrete sitting empty for 3 years now....

Seem odd to tell farmers they cant take delivery in the area while a facility sits empty and then to say if it doesnt move they dont take it in ...

There are elevators that haven't loaded a train in a month....

[Blaithin]

The staffing cost of a 10,000 mt elevator could be pushing half a mil. The upkeep cost of it would probably be more. It might need a LOT of work. The ones on short lines get jerked around by the rail more. Their load out capacity isn’t up to much compared to the big ones to be worth the hassle... Insurance, power, certification....

It’s easy for someone to sit there and say “well they could bring in this much mil of this” but Glencore is a big company. If they’ve crunched the numbers and decided those little elevators aren’t worth the cost of running, then they’ve crunched the numbers. One year of good prices or good yield or farmers saying they would haul there isn’t a sufficient platform to support running a worn down elevator that can’t move the tonnes they need.

[Old Cowzilla]

If G3 is building a hour away you will get paid well for your 60 litres of fuel.

[bucket]

The staffing cost of a 10,000 mt elevator could be pushing half a mil. The upkeep cost of it would probably be more. It might need a LOT of work. The ones on short lines get jerked around by the rail more. Their load out capacity isn’t up to much compared to the big ones to be worth the hassle... Insurance, power, certification....

It’s easy for someone to sit there and say “well they could bring in this much mil of this” but Glencore is a big company. If they’ve crunched the numbers and decided those little elevators aren’t worth the cost of running, then they’ve crunched the numbers. One year of good prices or good yield or farmers saying they would haul there isn’t a sufficient platform to support running a worn down elevator that can’t move the tonnes they need.

Three guys ran that elevator when it was closed....it's a concrete that could easily have cans beside it ....move the highway and increase the spot. ...in the heart of the recently announced irrigation project....

Think another company isn't sniffing around....

It's a concrete built under SWP project horizon....quite a bit newer than the agpro elevator in moose jaw that is over 100 years old....why not blow it up? Before closing newer facilities. ?

[Blaithin]

Like I said, they’ll have run the numbers.

Move the highway?!

Yeah that’s easy.

There was a company building near here, original site was slated to be north of Innisfail. Easy access to highway 2, right on the main CP line, already two smaller Canada Malt elevators there. A lot going for that site for a new build. County didn’t cooperate. They ended up building farther east in a different county.

There’s more to expanding an elevator than just saying let’s do it. Cost of refurbishing old ass equipment to keep up to more bin space, updating equipment and software, getting county approval for upgrades (because counties easily just say yeah we’ll move a road), getting the railway to agree to supply increased service.

It’s their business, their call. Obviously there was information at their disposal so that it made more sense to close than continue operating or expand.

[bucket]

I have suggested solutions....impossible ...not at all if you understood the area...


To move or reroute a highway if the work has to be done for upgrading is not that difficult...

You are defending the grainco's right to use the highway to improve their logistics with a rail line that runs 100 feet parallel to that highway all the way to Moose jaw from Eyebrow...

Defend the graincos....I am providing solutions that work for both the grainco and farmers in that area...

[malleefarmer]

This is becoming so common across Australia must be a 15 or more of such sites.

The Moulamein Grain Co-Operative Ltd was established in August 2001 and was fully operational 3 months later receiving grain as a bulk handler.
The Co-Op was formed by 26 local progressive farmers, all who were concerned about grain storage in the Moulamein area. The first harvest was a total success receiving approximately 30,000 tonnes of Wheat and Barley.

The creation of the site lead to a more productive harvest for the local community and as a result of greater competition for the grain, the floor price was lifted by an average $20 per tonne. Twelve years later the Co-op has grown to 42 members and operates and additional site at Burraboi with a storage capacity in excess of 100,000 tonnes – our largest receival year being 2010 with 70,000 tonnes taken.
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In 2009 Nandaly Grain Co-Op was formed by 31 farmers is under a similar management contract with Moulamein Grain Co-Op and the site has the capacity of 80,000 tonnes.

[malleefarmer]

Plenty of small sites that take have say 4 farmers building there own.

Not sure we are burdened by red tape here building projects.

If on private land basically just build it but if land is purchased near rail few more protocols neededed

[Blaithin]

I have suggested solutions....impossible ...not at all if you understood the area...


To move or reroute a highway if the work has to be done for upgrading is not that difficult...

You are defending the grainco's right to use the highway to improve their logistics with a rail line that runs 100 feet parallel to that highway all the way to Moose jaw from Eyebrow...

Defend the graincos....I am providing solutions that work for both the grainco and farmers in that area...

I’m not defending them, their decision to close or open sites is hardly something that needs defence. They are business decisions.

You seem to think moving highways and rail lines is easy? (Maybe Saskatchewan highways...) The red tape and cost involved would be crazy. You think the county is going to pay for that? No, the grain co would foot the bill adding huge expense to the cost of the terminal.

The idea that your perception of the situation is more conclusive than Glencore’s own knowledge of it is kind of silly. Maybe you should apply to them as a consultant and tell them all your ideas for how they could be making more money with their companies.

Graincos are no longer community run, community building, businesses. They are international corporations. Don’t expect them to behave otherwise.

[bucket]

If G3 is building a hour away you will get paid well for your 60 litres of fuel.

I can't drive to Swift current and back with a half ton on 60 liters of fuel....let alone a super B

[malleefarmer]

Another.

BOORT GRAIN CO-OP offers the grower and the trade buyer a fully flexible storage solution. The mantra of the business is to service the customer.

The site receives:

• Wheat • Barley (Malt & Feed) • Canola • Pulses

Flexible access to the site
Greater number of segregations
Working closely with our customers to meet their needs
You buy grain in our sites and you are guaranteed that is where you will receive ownership – we wont ‘stock swap’ you around the country side.
Boort Grain Co-Operative Ltd was established in 2011 by 35 local producers.

The site consists of bunker and shed storage and has the capacity to store 150,000mt + (the site received 163,000mt 2016/17 harvest).

Located at Silo Woolshed Road, Boort, Victoria 3537, approximately 260km from both Melbourne & Geelong, Boort is ideally located to service bulk and containerised exports markets as well as domestics markets.