Mask-Social Distancing

[Guest]

Sheep wheat - I don’t have the answer but 2 weeks in two weeks out, rapid testing before entry - not sure of accuracy, but obviously if we report test results publicly we must be able to test accurately. I mean surely the government only reports accurately.

just for interest sake
elon musk took 4 tests in a day , 2 were positive , 2 were negative
its right on Ctv , but prob fake news , right ?

[RTK]

DML - you completely missed my point and tried to twist it.

Covid-19 is real - if people want to safeguard themselves they can... lock and isolate themselves from society with enough supplies for the next year, to be safe have enough supplies to last your lifetime in case we never get through this virus. Maybe have a radio with you so you can make a judgment as to whether or not it is safe to emerge, but how can you really be sure it is safe?

Life is risky, some take more risks than others, I make risk assessments every day in my daily life - risk vs reward.

I have not been to Costco since last February but pickup parts at a local ag dealer... each place could put me at risk... but one place I see as a necessary risk and my reward is I have a social interaction and now have the parts I need to prepare for spring. I can tell my wife I visited with so and so and we have something to talk about.

If my 90 year old neighbours needed something from Costco I would head in and get it for them... once again perhaps a risk but I would take that risk so they don’t have too...

There is a risk to everything, I could be skiing and stopped on the hill and another skier could run into me and injure me... I guess to avoid that risk I should have my own ski hill... oh wait should I hire ski patrol because I could fall and have no one realized I am hurt and die from exposure?

Once again I am safer eating steak, drinking rum and watching Netflix... no risk there...

[fjlip]

Ah maybe the RUM, risky?

[RTK]

FJLIP - can’t see any risk there - can you see any issue drinking a forty a day? Diet Coke with aspartame - as mix for safety. Coke with sugar can’t be good for me and I read tap water may contain Covid...

I just read that red meat may kill me - I will have UBER grocery’s deliver Cheetos instead... safety first.

[Guest]

i don't think you will have any problems
the good doctor tams just said to limit alcohol
sounds like you are doing your part

[dmlfarmer]

Yea you might get a free test in mail, but results will be none of your business

Really case, you just can't quit spreading BS can you!

From brochure about the Brochure - Canadian COVID-19 Antibody and Health Survey (CCAHS)
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/5339/brochure https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/5339/brochure

"What are the benefits of participating in this survey?
Your participation will help in further understanding the impact of COVID-19. The results will help indicate how many people have been infected with COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2), including those who may not have had related symptoms. Also, you will receive your test results once they are available."

[Guest]

we shall see about that

[dmlfarmer]

DML - you completely missed my point and tried to twist it.

Covid-19 is real - if people want to safeguard themselves they can... lock and isolate themselves from society with enough supplies for the next year, to be safe have enough supplies to last your lifetime in case we never get through this virus. Maybe have a radio with you so you can make a judgment as to whether or not it is safe to emerge, but how can you really be sure it is safe?

Life is risky, some take more risks than others, I make risk assessments every day in my daily life - risk vs reward.

I have not been to Costco since last February but pickup parts at a local ag dealer... each place could put me at risk... but one place I see as a necessary risk and my reward is I have a social interaction and now have the parts I need to prepare for spring. I can tell my wife I visited with so and so and we have something to talk about.

If my 90 year old neighbours needed something from Costco I would head in and get it for them... once again perhaps a risk but I would take that risk so they don’t have too...

There is a risk to everything, I could be skiing and stopped on the hill and another skier could run into me and injure me... I guess to avoid that risk I should have my own ski hill... oh wait should I hire ski patrol because I could fall and have no one realized I am hurt and die from exposure?

Once again I am safer eating steak, drinking rum and watching Netflix... no risk there...

No, I get your point, but the risk of all the things you mention are only to yourself. None are contagious like Covid is. You have much more control over all of these risks to yourself. But at the same time anyone with Covid who does not think it is a risk to themselves and chooses to go out in public while sick is exposing everyone use to a greater risk of contacting it. Making the risk worse is the fact transmission can happen from asymtomatic carriers. No one likes to be locked down, including vulnerable senior citizens yet there are people who won't even follow the most basic risk reduction strategy like wearing a mask so cases increase, and lockdowns are put in place to prevent overloading the health care system which may be needed for treatments other than Covid - like the heart attack victim.

[dmlfarmer]

I find it fascinating that the primary reason for opposing lockdowns on this site seem to be economic. There have been repeated calls for protection of the vulnerable and letting the rest of society be free of any Covid reduction strategies. I am intrigued by the thought process that some feel you should not be restricted at all yet suggest a viable alternative to protect vulnerable (ie elderly in nursing homes, hospitals???) would be to have all staff working at retirements homes completely locked in the facilities 24 hours a day for , during a 2 week, 12 hour everyday work shift. And people think health care workers would be happy to do this for the right amount of money.

A number of posters say they have spouses, children, spouses of children, or other family members working in health care. So I am wondering what wage you think would justify that health care worker in your family to accept complete isolation and be restricted to the workplace for a 2 week, 12 hour a day shift? Consider not only the person being gone from the household, but that if they have children they would need 2 week child care arrangements. Consider that some of these people also play a significant role in your farm operations, from physical work to managing the books and would be unavailable for 2 weeks at a time. And consider their social cost of being away from children, family, and everyone except other workers and those in their care for 2 weeks at a time.

Seriously, what wage would need to be paid to get someone in your family to do this or would anyone even be willing to do this or have an immediate family member do this - if labor laws could even be changed to allow such a shift?

[farming101]

101, that does not mesh with the recent covid stats. The govts own data shows this is overwhelmingly in care homes.

I saw that too and wondered. I only went off the news item talking about the situation in SK. and some of the stats on the Saskatchewan covid website.
The outbreaks in the spring in Quebec and to some extent Ontario and BC were really concentrated in care homes so maybe that has something to do with the statistic you posted. I don't doubt that for all of Canada it is accurate.
A care home in Wakaw has most of the residents and some staff positive right now

[jazz]

So I am wondering what wage you think would justify that health care worker in your family to accept complete isolation and be restricted to the workplace for a 2 week, 12 hour a day shift? Consider not only the person being gone from the household, but that if they have children they would need 2 week child care arrangements.

Oil workers do that all the time. Month in month out. Month in camp, then home. Pay them enough the spouse stays at home in Calgary. I doubt the health system is more risky than working the platforms. Some do it 6 months at a time over seas. MY BIL works in a camp in saudi, gets home 4 weeks a year. Not the end of the world. Quite a few of us spend 12 hrs a day in the combine for 2 months with no break.

And perhaps a science update for you. Asymptotic spread was already exposed as a bust. None of the cases came from that. If you had covid and no symptoms, your immune system had it in check and it was not transmissible.

[dmlfarmer]

Oil workers do that all the time. Month in month out. Month in camp, then home. Pay them enough the spouse stays at home in Calgary. I doubt the health system is more risky than working the platforms. Some do it 6 months at a time over seas. MY BIL works in a camp in saudi. Not the end of the world. Quite a few of us spend 12 hrs a day in the combine for 2 months with no break.

And perhaps a science update for you. Asymptotic spread was already exposed as a bust. None of the cases came from that. If you had covid and no symptoms, your immune system had it in check and it was not transmissible.

So Jazz what hourly wage would be enough for your wife (if a health care worker) would be enough for her to leave your kids, home, and the farm for 2 weeks at a time and live in her place of employment caring for people for 12 hours a day for 2 weeks straight?