Mask-Social Distancing

[fjlip]

Of course you omitted those magical words" according to a model developed by researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention." and "Their findings reinforce the importance of following the agency’s guidelines:"

They would be a tad biased to promote all their social disruption/lockdown/masks.

CDC is a corporation that owns patents on drugs...


How about Wuhan study of 10,000,000...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

"The citywide nucleic acid screening of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan recruited nearly 10 million people, and found no newly confirmed cases with COVID-19. The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases was very low, and there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic positive persons to traced close contacts. There were no asymptomatic positive cases in 96.4% of the residential communities.

Previous studies have shown that asymptomatic individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus were infectious3, and might subsequently become symptomatic4. Compared with symptomatic patients, asymptomatic infected persons generally have low quantity of viral loads and a short duration of viral shedding, which decrease the transmission risk of SARS-CoV-25. In the present study, virus culture was carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious."

[fjlip]

How about WHO? Very rarely...

https://youtu.be/NQTBlbx1Xjs

https://thenewamerican.com/study-of-almost-10-million-finds-no-asymptomatic-covid-spread-media-silent/

"We keep hearing about how we should follow the science. The claim is tired by now. We know what’s really happening. The lockdown lobby ignores whatever contradicts their narrative, preferring unverified anecdotes ( or MODELLING ) over an actual scientific study of 10 million residents in what was the world’s first major hotspot for the disease we are trying to manage. You would expect this study to be massive international news. So far as I can tell, it is being ignored.

“Now, why would anyone listen to anything coming out of Wuhan, given the Chinese record on the matter?” asked commentator Monica Showalter Monday. “Quite simply, because the city was where the problem started, and the city has since gotten back to normal.”

“Over in America, things are another story,” she continues. “The lockdowns extend and extend, with some so-called experts saying there won’t be relief until 2022. The vaccine won’t do it; the masks and stay-at-home-orders, the business shutdowns and the school closures have got to remain in place forever.”

[foragefarmer]

So the religious anti-masking nutbars Hugs over Masks, were in Steinbach protesting in front of Steinbach mayor's office because of the Covid restrictions.

Mayor Funk was very disappointed with the protesters, and pleaded with them to go home. Most of the appox 100 selfish protesters were not wearing masks, and of coarse not social distancing as per the groups name Hugs over Masks.

Some of the protesters had signs reading Faith is Essential. Ya, let's see how that works when you get Covid and need medical attention.

So Wade to answer your threads question, neither social distancing nor masks are required for the Hugs over Masks Convenient Christians.

[jazz]

Some of the protesters had signs reading Faith is Essential. Ya, let's see how that works when you get Covid and need medical attention.

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Freedom of assembly, religion and movement are enshrined in the charter which also covered BLM last summer.

Everyone has a right to medical attention no matter their views or behaviors just like the opoid abusers and methheads do including our already convicted prisoner population.

[foragefarmer]

Freedom of assembly, religion and movement are enshrined in the charter which also covered BLM last summer.

Everyone has a right to medical attention no matter their views or behaviors just like the opoid abusers and methheads do including our already convicted prisoner population.

Jazz this is what I posted,

"Some of the protesters had signs reading Faith is Essential. Ya, let's see how that works when you get Covid and need medical attention."

Does my post say anything about denying the religious nutbars from Hugs over Masks not receiving medical attention?

You and Like Button Buddies Sheepy and Parts need to reread.

Great use of examples though, Jazz.

[dmlfarmer]

How about Wuhan study of 10,000,000...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w



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Now for the rest of the story of the Wuhan study which you omitted.
1. The study was the number of asymptomatic cases in Wuhan, not of transmission from asymptomatic carriers.
2. The study took place between May 14 and June 1st, after a 70 day complete lockdown of Wuhan and when Covid was under control in Wuhan so there was little transmission happening of Covid
3. masks, hand washing, and social distancing was still strictly enforced for all Wuhan citizens, again reducing transmission
4. One of the participants in the study was the University of East Anglia of the UK and their report states:
-But the research team warn that their findings do not show that the virus can’t be passed on by asymptomatic carriers.
-Prof Song said: “What this tells us is that the infection prevalence of Covid-19 was very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown in Wuhan.
“This work confirms that transmission of Covid-19 can be successfully controlled by well implemented non-pharmaceutical interventions, including face covering, hand hygiene, safe social distancing, contract tracing, and lockdown restrictions. Actually, mask wearing remains common in public places now in Wuhan.”
However, the research team say that it is important to emphasise that the results of this study should be correctly interpreted.
-“But there is plenty of evidence elsewhere showing that people infected with Covid-19 may be temporarily asymptomatic and infectious before going on to develop symptoms.


I will put this is a farming context. Clubroot has been found in a neighboring RM. So you decide to plant a clubroot resistant variety. Come fall you check your fields for clubroot and find none so you claim there is no clubroot in your RM and you wonder why did you waste money for a clubroot variety. However, your scouting your clubroot resistant fields does not prove that there has been no transmission of clubroot spores to your RM. You did not check for spores, you only looked for actual disease which likely had been controlled if it was present by variety selecton.

Looking for one thing does not prove something else not studied is not happening. Both the Wuhan study and the east Anglia report make it clear asymptomatic transmission is possible

So do you believe the actual study and the report by East Anglia Medical School which was part of the study or the Conservative media spin which Fjlip presented?

[fjlip]

"All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious."

Read it again. How about the WHO video?

[jazz]

Looking for one thing does not prove something else not studied is not happening. Both the Wuhan study and the east Anglia report make it clear asymptomatic transmission is possible

Possible but not likely. Probably rare. Trusting the settled science from the experts.

Asymptotic does not mean you have no symptoms at one point but you eventually get them. That is transmissible.

But there are a whole raft of cases of people who test positive who never develop any symptoms ever. That is not transmissible or its faulty PCR amplification or they have antibodies from having it sometime earlier.

You can see the community transmission numbers in the chart I posted are very low.

[dmlfarmer]

"All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious."

Read it again. How about the WHO video?

You read the entire study! The key words in your quote are ...asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study are unlikely... The study documents low virus loads in th3 300 out of 10 million tested. The study was not of tranmission but of actual existing cases. And why do you think your quote has any more weight than these which the study authors present: -But the research team warn that their findings do not show that the virus can’t be passed on by asymptomatic carriers.

However, the research team say that it is important to emphasise that the results of this study should be correctly interpreted.
-“But there is plenty of evidence elsewhere showing that people infected with Covid-19 may be temporarily asymptomatic and infectious before going on to develop symptoms.


And why do you think this study in Wuhan done early in the pandemic carries any more weight than all the studies I have presented from around the world and which have been done much more recently when a lot more is known of the disease and which show asymtomatic transmission is happening? Read the studies I presented!

[dmlfarmer]

Possible but not likely. Probably rare. Trusting the settled science from the experts.

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So now you say asymptomatic transmission is possible but not likely. Yet yesterday you made the statement that the science was settled and there have been no cases of asymptomatic transmission.

Jazz: And perhaps a science update for you. Asymptotic spread was already exposed as a bust. None of the cases came from that. If you had covid and no symptoms, your immune system had it in check and it was not transmissible.

Well here is a science update for you. I note the video was made on aired on June 8, 2020. Early in the pandemic and science has learned a lot since then, including all the studies I presented which you ignore that show asymptomatic transmission is happening.