Canadian grain act ...review

[CptnObvious]

Bucket. So perhaps one role for cgc would be inspecting sampling protocols?

Yes, they should. Screens, scales, and everything.

[blackpowder]

And there you go, common sense input from a worker in the terminal industry. Awesome.

[wmoebis]

The grain act does not regulate how grain is handled it gives the CGC the power to regulate how it is handled through the regulations and Guide. I understand why CGC inward inspection was no longer needed. My question is why if elevator employee grades it when car is loaded why does it need to be graded again when it is being unloaded? How could have it change in transit? Not like when it is being cleaned/ transferred/ or blended at elevator and re grading was needed. It all costs $. When CGC was going to elevators to cert cars as they were being loaded there was no need for them to be reinspected at unload and yes they could be direct hit to boats if we were loading to shipping specs in that case the CGC inspected again to make sure that the over all boat hit shipping specs as it was being mixed in the boat.

What parts of the actual ACT do people want to see changed?

Degree of soundness, Damaged and foreign material are going to be factors that effect price doesn't matter if it is assessed as grades or as individual factors and it doesn't matter if it is assessed visually by trained people or mechanical. It doesn't matter if the graders pay check comes from the grain companies, CGC or third party it is the training and quality of work that is important. I'm sure There is lots of elevator employees that are as good or better graders than anyone else. It comes down to training and monitoring to make sure they are staying on task.

[wmoebis]

Have to think about that,,,,but grading a super B on a teaspoon or less of grain certainly seems stupid. Especially the smaller the sample the greater the error.

The most important thing in assessing grain is that it is a representative sample of the whole lot of grain. That is why the CGC will not use a remote probe sample as an official sample. Even if their own employees are operating the probe. A hand probe sample with samples probes as per instructed in sampling book, a hand sample taken as per instructed or a certified cross cut sampler are the only official sample systems.

Once that sample is taken maintaining the representation of that sample is the next most important that is where the proper use of equipment comes in and following the prescribed methods in the Guide accurately.

[Blaithin]

Fair comments but if you have a farmer that says he didn't spray preharvest glyphosate on his durum according to his "code of practice" and the shipment gets found to have it ...who are they going to ?????

Considering that some bags at the elevator are confused occasionally.

Well then that's where the act and the code of practice needs farmer input to ensure traceability.

Cattle have CCIA tags, what does grain have? It needs to be shown without a doubt that it IS the farmers grain in order to fall back on the farmer.

There's an enforcement that can be done. Are the terminals keeping the minimum 1KG of grain on site, for the required period of time, in case something comes up and it needs re inspection.

Could something be added that the farmer is also given a 1KG bag of each load to keep for records. They get their delivery receipt and a bag of grain with all factors listed. (Do farmers want tubs and tubs of their grain on hand each year?)

In the Code of Practice hoohah being kicked around, should it be pushed that farmers are well versed in representative samples of each bin and keep those on hand for a certain period of time as well. For back up.

What can be done to better improve the integrity of kept samples. If they're going to become a representative portion to back up something more than grading factors on a sales contract then there needs to be more assurance of them.

If chemical residues are going to be such big players, should harvest samples be sent in for the tests? Is there a way to have a quick test on hand for deliveries? If grain is found to be chemical free at time of delivery, write it in that it can't be brought back on the farmer if it's "discovered" at a later date.

[farming101]

If grain is delivered to a primary elevator, a grade and dockage are agreed upon and payment to the farmer is made, that should be the end of it. The rest is on the grain company as to what happens down the line.
Ya, I know, that's not what the little words in the contract say but really, what happens after the deal is closed is completely out of the farmer's hands. He is at the mercy of something unforeseen and uncontrolled occurring at any of a number of points before it hits the ship. He can sample his bins at home as many times as he wants. Doesn't make one bit of difference. It can still all go south.

The above described transaction is all based off of 4 pokes in a super B at the majority of elevators.

Companies are going to have to step up their game on securing representative samples if they want to go after a farmer for something changing after the grain is in their possession.

[blackpowder]

Companies are going to have to step up their game on securing representative samples if they want to go after a farmer for something changing after the grain is in their possession.

Especially since they own it once it hits the pit.
I think some forget that little point.

[farming101]

As far as all the grades that are used to buy grain off the farm; very few are used for export.
This year there is 1 CWRS, 2 CWRS and "by specification". Also a little Red winter and the Eastern Canada wheats.
Over 10% has been shipped this year by specification. That does not necessarily mean a lower price but what it does mean is that all the CW feed, CPS, SWS, CNHR and #3 CWRS is leaving the country graded "by specification" or is being blended into the #1 and #2 CWRS.

Tolerance on an export 2 CWRS is 3% total with 1.5% being a contrasting class. As well, there can be .8% other cereals.
Tell me how many farmers get their grain mixed up to that extent on farm

[Rareearth]

Maybe stiffer penalties for those companies that contracted grain, and don't offer delivery opportunities as per contract. Maybe credit card interest rates per month fees to be added to the contracted price.

Most farmer deliver for a certain grade, price, and delivery time frame. The exporters compromise liquidity and farmer abilities to pay debt obligations. The 14 day requirement to pay farmer is one thing, BUT the delivery for grain is another. The maximum contract delivery period should be one month! Accountability and responsibility to the ag industry as a whole is currently compromised ( and has been for a long time).

This will be even more critical and important if inflation and or higher interest rates return.

Farmers should not bankroll the exporters .

[Blaithin]

Tolerance on an export 2 CWRS is 3% total with 1.5% being a contrasting class. As well, there can be .8% other cereals.
Tell me how many farmers get their grain mixed up to that extent on farm

You’d be surprised.

Volunteers are the bigger issue though, and then the odd mix up.