Canadian grain act ...review

[wmoebis]

Sales seem to always have specification. 2 CWRS 13.8 protein, under 14.5 moisture, ergot under .010, FN of 300, etc. Some have more, some have less. I don’t know that those would count as by specification or not. Or which ones might. FN maybe as that’s not a grading factor.

Never seen anyone with a sale as “By specification” so they’d have to specify what that’s including a bit more.

Are you talking terminal shipment specifications or export specs as on Certificate Final? I'm just wondering if it is terminal if they aren't requesting certain specs from your point because they need those to blend with grain from another that needs help or can use a little extra and still stay in the grade. Terminals likely blend from primaries just like primaries blend from farmers to maximise grade specs everyone wants to ship at bottom of the grade.

[Blaithin]

Are you talking terminal shipment specifications or export specs as on Certificate Final? I'm just wondering if it is terminal if they aren't requesting certain specs from your point because they need those to blend with grain from another that needs help or can use a little extra and still stay in the grade. Terminals likely blend from primaries just like primaries blend from farmers to maximise grade specs everyone wants to ship at bottom of the grade.

They don’t tell who’s doing the specifying. Shipments just always say something along the lines of #1 13.5 px blah blah. It’s the goal to manage deliveries for.

Depending on the location they are absolutely getting blended at port but some shipments are container or otherwise specified as being fairly strict. Sometimes the shipment can average, sometimes they can’t and each car has to meet the specs.

Still doesn’t really explain the By Specification class though. Would be interesting to see what that includes.

[LEP]

The amount of dickering people do, even on here, over dockage, makes it sound like some should (maybe do) find ways to limit dockage.

Cleaning charges were not what I was referring to, especially as some terminals don’t even have cleaners. But the loss of dockage being taken off the gross weight of the load.... why lose 2% to dockage and then want to critique the elevator for how they conduct dockage if you can have more control over what dockage is sent.

You know what terminals do with screenings? Sell it to the feed mills. No reason a farmer can’t find that market as well.

And that is what comparison I was referring too.

Money lost through dockage taken off gross weights vs investment in cleaning equipment, running it, and selling the screenings.

As with anything some farmers would make it work, and some couldn’t. Distance, feed markets, equipment and labour and time....

Just as some are willing to set the combines and blow a bit of grain out the back to get really clean grain and some want to save every kernel and keep more dockage in.

It would also not be necessary to clean the whole crop. Just as terminals blend for grade and specs, they also blend for commercially clean. Get enough really clean that they can blend some slightly dirty in with and save on cleaning time.

I have my own cleaner. There have been a few times where I changed varieties and sold a few thousand clean bushels. Never got zero dockage. Some elevators are willing to get down to. 5 dockage.

It would never pay to clean on the farm. Unless you work for free

[LEP]

If you want the risk for chemical to be someone elses everything will be like malt. Sample. Check sample. Sent away after delivery and then get paid a few days later.

[wmoebis]

I have my own cleaner. There have been a few times where I changed varieties and sold a few thousand clean bushels. Never got zero dockage. Some elevators are willing to get down to. 5 dockage.

It would never pay to clean on the farm. Unless you work for free

I don't know how it works now but I know guys that shipped 0% dockage or commercially clean specs some even shipped export ready through producer cars. I was told by one producer car facility that 40% of the cars unloaded commercially clean 0% dockage at port. Under the CWB if you had Commercially clean the elevator couldn't charge you cleaning plus you paid for rail costs on the gross tonnes even if grain was cleaned at your local terminal. Now that it is all included in basis do you get credit or how does it work for commercially clean now?

[malleefarmer]

Im still lost dockage?

Im not smart enough to farm in canada........


I harvest, have a $12000 protien machine in combine.

I harvest wheat with fair idea of grade 90% sure if protien deems it to be H1H2 wheat of to the elevator.

Either sold or warehoused for later sale goes in its graded bunker or cell.

Lesser protien stored on farm for later sale or direct to feedlot out of paddock.

But whats the dockage cleaning for?

[wmoebis]

Dockage is defined under the Canada Grain Act as “any material intermixed with a parcel of grain, other than kernels of grain of a standard of quality fixed by or under this Act for a grade of that grain, that must and can be separated from the parcel of grain before that grade can be assigned to the grain.”

Then each grain has it's own regulated cleaning procedures that elevators are suppose to follow. Anything that id left in after normal cleaning is considered as foreign material and becomes a degrading factor.

[farming101]

Canada has had standards for export grain going way back into the foggy past.
It has kept the rep of Canadian wheat up there in the world.
What happened with the end of the CWB was that companies wanted to hit the bottom of the grade as close as they could.
With the CWB it was often a case of the other extreme.
All Canadian grain must meet a relatively clean standard to leave the country.

[malleefarmer]

https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf
Sort of understand.

So paddock to elevator without a dockage cleaning is rare?

Is it weeds or a specific weed

Blaithin will probably be only one took look but our r3cieval standards 20/21 wheat in above link

[bucket]

Won't this review end with an election call?????

[Blaithin]

https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf
Sort of understand.

So paddock to elevator without a dockage cleaning is rare?

Is it weeds or a specific weed

Blaithin will probably be only one took look but our r3cieval standards 20/21 wheat in above link

Paddock to inland terminal with a cleaning is rare. The inland elevators do the cleaning for the most part, or the ports do it.

When we say dockage it's going to be most similar to what that chart calls Screenings and Unmillable Material.

Dockage is made up of unthreshed heads, roughage, large and small seeds, and broken wheat that falls through the sieve. In most cases dockage for wheat is very minimal and under 1%. The odd time its got more unthreshed heads which quickly weigh up. Very, very rarely is it a seed or broken grain issue causing high dockage.

Which specific seeds are taken out during cleaning aren't a concern, whether they're weeds or canola or mustard. Although some export markets have zero tolerance for some weed seeds, like thistle, that is a sales criteria for the specific shipment, not a grading standard.

After the dockage has been cleaned out of the grain then we will pick out seeds listed in the Contaminants section if they are in an amount that would cause the cleaned grain to be downgraded. Example would be you're allowed 0.6% barley in a 1 CWRS. Barley is hard to clean out of wheat so if a field is experiencing a large volunteer load then it can't all be cleaned out so will be picked out of the clean sample.

[wmoebis]

https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf
Sort of understand.

So paddock to elevator without a dockage cleaning is rare?

Is it weeds or a specific weed

Blaithin will probably be only one took look but our r3cieval standards 20/21 wheat in above link

So when you deliver to elevator they just hand sieve over 2mm round hole sieve and material that stays on top is deducted from gross weight is that right? Anything that is left in is concidered as screenings and hand picked. Is that right?

[Rareearth]

I think terminals throw the top sieve into dockage pile, where unthreshed heads are technically not dockage. This isn’t right, only a small irritant compared to some others.


CGC
Wheat: Determination of commercially clean

Dockage is not assessed on wheat samples that meet the commercially clean specifications defined in the wheat commercially clean determinant table. All samples must be analyzed to determine if they meet commercial cleanliness standards prior to dockage assessment. The analysis of samples which are clearly not commercially clean may consist of a visual assessment. For example, if there is no doubt that a sample contains more than 0.1% of small seeds without hand sieving and weighing the seeds then dockage will be assessed using procedures defined under Determination of dockage. Where there is any doubt regarding whether the sample is commercially clean, the sample must be analyzed using the procedures outlined below in steps 1 through 14 to confirm that the sample is not commercially clean prior to assessing dockage.

Using a Boerner-type divider, divide the sample to obtain a representative portion.
Official samples shall be at least 1 kg.
Unofficial samples shall be at least 1 kg.
Place approximately 250 grams of the sample at a time on the NumberNo. 5 buckwheat sieve nested over the NumberNo. 4.5 round-hole sieve.
Move the sieves from left to right 30 times using a sifting motion. One complete motion is approximately 10 cm from the center to one side, back to the center, approximately 10 cm to the other side and back to the center.
All broken wheat passing through the NumberNo. 5 buckwheat hand sieve or the NumberNo. 4.5 round hole hand sieve is weighed and the percentage calculated to determine if it meets the commercially clean specification of the grade for broken through a NumberNo. 5 buckwheat sieve. (Column 1 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
Small seeds passing through the NumberNo. 4.5 round hole sieve are weighed and the percentage calculated to determine if they meet the commercially clean specification of the grade for small seeds. (Column 2 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
Material other than broken grain and small seeds passing through the 4.5 round hole sieve is weighed and the percentage calculated to determine if it meets the commercially clean specification of the grade for attrition. (Column 3 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
The sample portions remaining on top of the NumberNo. 5 buckwheat sieve and the 4.5 round hole sieve are recombined and divided using a Boerner-type divider to a representative portion of not less than 250 grams.
The portion divided from step 7 is handpicked to remove large seeds (as defined in the Glossary), roughage and wild oats.
The roughage material is weighed and the percentage calculated to determine if it meets the commercially clean specification of the grade for roughage. (Column 4 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
Note: If the roughage material contains unthreshed wheat heads, the heads are squeezed to remove the kernels of wheat prior to weighing. The wheat kernel is not included when assessing the concentration of roughage for commercial cleanliness. However, care should be taken to keep these wheat kernels separate. If it is determined that the sample is not commercially clean, kernels squeezed from the unthreshed heads will be included in the dockage.
The percentages of small seeds, attrition and roughage are added together to determine if the total meets the commercially clean specification of the grade for total small seeds, attrition and roughage. (Column 5 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
The large seeds are weighed and the percentage calculated to determine if they meet the commercially clean specification of the grade for large seeds. (Column 6 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
The wild oats are weighed and the percentage concentration calculated to determine if they meet the commercially clean specification of the grade for wild oats. (Column 7 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
The percentages of small seeds, large seeds, and wild oats are added together to determine if the total meets the commercially clean specification of the grade for total small seeds, large seeds and wild oats. (Column 8 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
The percentages of small seeds, large seeds, wild oats, roughage and broken grain through the NumberNo. 5 buckwheat sieve are added together to determine if the total meets the commercially clean specification of the grade (Column 9 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table)
Should the percentage concentration of any of the factors determined in steps 1 through 14 exceed the specifications set out in columns 1 through 9 of the wheat commercially clean determinant tables the sample will be considered to be not commercially clean.

Dockage will be assessed on samples determined to be not commercially clean using the procedures defined in Determination of dockage with the following exception. The exception relates to those samples which are determined, by hand sieving, to be not commercially clean because of the concentration of attritional material either alone ( Column 3 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table ) or as a component of Total Small Seeds, Attrition and Roughage ( Column 5 in the wheat commercially clean determinant table ).

The attritional material from these samples will not be reconstituted back into the sample but will be added to the dockage removed by the Carter dockage tester. This procedure will ensure that attritional material that causes a sample to be designated not commercially clean is not expelled by the fan of the Carter dockage tester and is retained in the sample in the event of a reinspection request.

Note: Large seeds, small seeds, roughage and attrition are defined in the Glossary.

[wmoebis]

You are talking Commercially Clean samples not primary normal cleaning at country elevators when buying from farmers.

That is performed as follows

Set up the Carter dockage tester with the following specifications
Feed control #6
Air control Minimum #4 (increase according to the nature of the material)
Riddle NumberNo. 25
Top sieve NumberNo. 6 buckwheat
Centre sieve NumberNo. 5 buckwheat
Bottom sieve NumberNo. 5 buckwheat
Sieve cleaner Off
Using a Boerner-type divider, divide the uncleaned sample to obtain a representative portion.
Official samples shall be at least 1 kg.
Unofficial samples shall be at least 1 kg.
Turn on the Carter dockage tester.
Pour the sample into the hopper.
After the sample has passed through the machine, turn on the sieve cleaner control for 2 to 3 seconds to remove kernels lodged in the sieve.
Turn off the dockage tester.
Lightly snap the retainer rod of the aspiration pan to loosen material gathered on the air screen.
Remove the aspiration pan.
Handpick whole sound threshed kernels of wheat from the portion passing over the riddle and return them to the cleaned sample.
Composition of dockage

Dockage includes:

Wheat with long rootlets, unthreshed wheat heads, and material other than wheat removed by the numberNo. 25 riddle
Material removed by numberNo. 5 buckwheat sieve in the lower position
Material removed by aspiration
A maximum of 10% of soft earth pellets handpicked from the clean sample
Material removed by Cleaning for grade improvement

[Blaithin]

Remember to squish to earth pellets to make sure they are earth pellets! 😂