Canadian grain act ...review

[wmoebis]

Sales seem to always have specification. 2 CWRS 13.8 protein, under 14.5 moisture, ergot under .010, FN of 300, etc. Some have more, some have less. I don’t know that those would count as by specification or not. Or which ones might. FN maybe as that’s not a grading factor.

Never seen anyone with a sale as “By specification” so they’d have to specify what that’s including a bit more.

Are you talking terminal shipment specifications or export specs as on Certificate Final? I'm just wondering if it is terminal if they aren't requesting certain specs from your point because they need those to blend with grain from another that needs help or can use a little extra and still stay in the grade. Terminals likely blend from primaries just like primaries blend from farmers to maximise grade specs everyone wants to ship at bottom of the grade.

[Blaithin]

Are you talking terminal shipment specifications or export specs as on Certificate Final? I'm just wondering if it is terminal if they aren't requesting certain specs from your point because they need those to blend with grain from another that needs help or can use a little extra and still stay in the grade. Terminals likely blend from primaries just like primaries blend from farmers to maximise grade specs everyone wants to ship at bottom of the grade.

They don’t tell who’s doing the specifying. Shipments just always say something along the lines of #1 13.5 px blah blah. It’s the goal to manage deliveries for.

Depending on the location they are absolutely getting blended at port but some shipments are container or otherwise specified as being fairly strict. Sometimes the shipment can average, sometimes they can’t and each car has to meet the specs.

Still doesn’t really explain the By Specification class though. Would be interesting to see what that includes.

[LEP]

The amount of dickering people do, even on here, over dockage, makes it sound like some should (maybe do) find ways to limit dockage.

Cleaning charges were not what I was referring to, especially as some terminals don’t even have cleaners. But the loss of dockage being taken off the gross weight of the load.... why lose 2% to dockage and then want to critique the elevator for how they conduct dockage if you can have more control over what dockage is sent.

You know what terminals do with screenings? Sell it to the feed mills. No reason a farmer can’t find that market as well.

And that is what comparison I was referring too.

Money lost through dockage taken off gross weights vs investment in cleaning equipment, running it, and selling the screenings.

As with anything some farmers would make it work, and some couldn’t. Distance, feed markets, equipment and labour and time....

Just as some are willing to set the combines and blow a bit of grain out the back to get really clean grain and some want to save every kernel and keep more dockage in.

It would also not be necessary to clean the whole crop. Just as terminals blend for grade and specs, they also blend for commercially clean. Get enough really clean that they can blend some slightly dirty in with and save on cleaning time.

I have my own cleaner. There have been a few times where I changed varieties and sold a few thousand clean bushels. Never got zero dockage. Some elevators are willing to get down to. 5 dockage.

It would never pay to clean on the farm. Unless you work for free

[LEP]

If you want the risk for chemical to be someone elses everything will be like malt. Sample. Check sample. Sent away after delivery and then get paid a few days later.

[wmoebis]

I have my own cleaner. There have been a few times where I changed varieties and sold a few thousand clean bushels. Never got zero dockage. Some elevators are willing to get down to. 5 dockage.

It would never pay to clean on the farm. Unless you work for free

I don't know how it works now but I know guys that shipped 0% dockage or commercially clean specs some even shipped export ready through producer cars. I was told by one producer car facility that 40% of the cars unloaded commercially clean 0% dockage at port. Under the CWB if you had Commercially clean the elevator couldn't charge you cleaning plus you paid for rail costs on the gross tonnes even if grain was cleaned at your local terminal. Now that it is all included in basis do you get credit or how does it work for commercially clean now?

[malleefarmer]

Im still lost dockage?

Im not smart enough to farm in canada........


I harvest, have a $12000 protien machine in combine.

I harvest wheat with fair idea of grade 90% sure if protien deems it to be H1H2 wheat of to the elevator.

Either sold or warehoused for later sale goes in its graded bunker or cell.

Lesser protien stored on farm for later sale or direct to feedlot out of paddock.

But whats the dockage cleaning for?

[wmoebis]

Dockage is defined under the Canada Grain Act as “any material intermixed with a parcel of grain, other than kernels of grain of a standard of quality fixed by or under this Act for a grade of that grain, that must and can be separated from the parcel of grain before that grade can be assigned to the grain.”

Then each grain has it's own regulated cleaning procedures that elevators are suppose to follow. Anything that id left in after normal cleaning is considered as foreign material and becomes a degrading factor.

[farming101]

Canada has had standards for export grain going way back into the foggy past.
It has kept the rep of Canadian wheat up there in the world.
What happened with the end of the CWB was that companies wanted to hit the bottom of the grade as close as they could.
With the CWB it was often a case of the other extreme.
All Canadian grain must meet a relatively clean standard to leave the country.

[malleefarmer]

https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf https://viterra.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Wheat-Receival-Standards-2020-2021-R3.pdf
Sort of understand.

So paddock to elevator without a dockage cleaning is rare?

Is it weeds or a specific weed

Blaithin will probably be only one took look but our r3cieval standards 20/21 wheat in above link

[bucket]

Won't this review end with an election call?????