Here we go again

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc was surprisingly quiet a few weeks ago when wind was rocking in the chinook with lots of mega watts.

He's just like oneoff who intentionally waits till December when solar production is low to make a challenge between grid tied solar and grid tied flare gas. LOL

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. So to analyse their contributions to reducing fossil energy sources you need to look at longer periods of production than just a few days. A year is good. You also need to recognize that wind and solar generation costs per Mwh are now cheaper than coal or gas according to the AESO.

Apparently Alberta is phasing out coal and adding a lot of wind and solar with natural gas that will cover all your needs.

The AESO says it will work, so you don't have to worry about freezing in the dark after all! LOL

[blackpowder]

Canada already has a very large amount of hydro capacity.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data/data-analysis/energy-data-analysis/energy-facts/electricity-facts/20068 https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data/data-analysis/energy-data-analysis/energy-facts/electricity-facts/20068

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This graph shows we're pretty green already. The East has it, trades their carbon credits south, taxes us for having to use coal. Pretty clear. Thanks.

[chuckChuck]

We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense.

[jazz]

No way are we taking hydro from quebec until they allow a pipeline through to the coast. Dream on chuck.

[jazz]

The only reliable renewable that I know of is hydro. Very easy to vary the output to match demand and as large of storage “battery” as you can engineer. In a country with so much fresh water just flowing to the ocean wouldn’t it make sense to get some usage out of it?

No mining in third world countries for rare minerals and 100+ year lifespan to boot.

No new hydro dams will ever be built in this country again. All greenfield hydro dams have had massive cost overruns that are intergenerational.

And no environmentalists or natives will allow it. Site C is the last one you will see.

But Sask could do more with its current facility at lake Dief. without too much fuss.

[bucket]

In saskatchewan ...it would have made more sense to build hydro than the 2 natural gas plants...

Two reasons....1. Its a cascading effect through the Saskatchewan river system.
2. Another reservoir would or will be essential if all the climate facts come true.

For guys that believe in climate change it sure seems odd they would be against ensuring water is available.

Try to build another dam today....impossible because of all the people that are environmentalists.

[Sodbuster]

The really only sustainable sources of energy in the future to curb greenhouse gases are hydro and nuclear. We need governments to step up to the plate and start the process soon. Wind and solar are not a replacement for other forms of energy but can produce when the sun shines and wind blows and allow us to consume less other forms of energy. On a day like today at 36C wind and solar will produce nothing and yet these are the peak days for electricity. If the greenies don’t want hydro than they will have to embrace nuclear, as it lol be the clear choice for curbing greenhouse gases.

[blackpowder]

We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense.

Or with the West's uranium, we build nuclear plants and SELL the extra power.
Trading wheat for stipends with the East getting old. Let someone else pay for the geographical expense if needed.

[blackpowder]

In saskatchewan ...it would have made more sense to build hydro than the 2 natural gas plants...

Two reasons....1. Its a cascading effect through the Saskatchewan river system.
2. Another reservoir would or will be essential if all the climate facts come true.

For guys that believe in climate change it sure seems odd they would be against ensuring water is available.

Try to build another dam today....impossible because of all the people that are environmentalists.

Nothing passes the green sniff test.
Nothing will get built until it's desperately obvious. And then not in the West. Natural Gas okay because its invisible. Just like the people who live out here.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense.

As I was saying in another thread, it is impossible to have any rational discussion that involves mathematics, or physical priniciples with these type of people. They truly seem to believe that the laws of physics are mere suggestions, and that they can be bent at will to accommodate their utopian vision.

Are you in anyway aware of the physical constraints of transmitting electricity from say Quebec to Alberta? Let alone the costs, and cost in losses, and the environmental pushback that would result from every NIMBY and watermelon, extortionist native group and pretend environmenalist blocking it every step of the way.