Here we go again

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The seasonality of plant growth in Western Canada is as predictable as the sun rising in the east. The seasonality of livestock feeding equally as predictable.

Millenia of practice has established a workable system for matching the two. We figured out when and what to harvest, what moisture, how to store.

Droughts, hail, floods, frosts, snow all happen, we know that is a probabilty, and we prepare. We carry over stocks from previous harvests, we don't tell the cows to go without this winter since there was a drought last summer. We don't make it someone else's problem that we didn't prepare.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Don't need to store solar if you are displacing kwh from other sources or getting paid for the ones you produce. Once you are hooked up to the grid, storage, transportation and marketing are all taken care of.

What a brilliant and simple solution.
Now scale that up to 100% in a zero fossil fuel powered world, as the politicans are promising. Do you see any potential hiccups with your plan? At what point do you run out of other peoples money ( or in this case, energy)?

[chuckChuck]

Net zero may include CCS with fossil fuels, nuclear, hydro, geothermal, hydrogen and ammonia as mentioned in the science story from Australia.

A5, A lot of your assumptions are based on very negative view that human energy sources and technology will never evolve or replace fossil energy sources with anything else.

Your assumption that affordable storage for renewables will never be found or implemented is probably wrong.

Why would you think it is a good idea to ignore the reality that the earth receives massive amounts of solar energy every day. Don't you think it is a good idea to explore all the possible uses?

Australia on its own has renewable potential that is incredible.

"More sunlight per square meter strikes the country than just about any other, and powerful winds buffet its south and west coasts. All told, Australia boasts a renewable energy potential of 25,000 gigawatts, one of the highest in the world and about four times the planet's installed electricity production capacity."

Its not surprising that Albertans like you are scared shitless of the future. Alberta has come close to putting all its eggs in one basket and many can't seem to think of anything else than oil and gas as the engine of Alberta's economy. Yup the worlds going to change. You better get used to it and start planning for the future rather than trying desperately to hang on to the past.

[Guest]

What a brilliant and simple solution.
Now scale that up to 100% in a zero fossil fuel powered world, as the politicans are promising. Do you see any potential hiccups with your plan? At what point do you run out of other peoples money ( or in this case, energy)?

unfortunately , it shows the depth of the sheeple we are wasting our time arguing with

[Hamloc]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;485300]

Australia on its own has renewable potential that is incredible.

"More sunlight per square meter strikes the country than just about any other, and powerful winds buffet its south and west coasts. All told, Australia boasts a renewable energy potential of 25,000 gigawatts, one of the highest in the world and about four times the planet's installed electricity production capacity."



Chuck2 please explain to me how the potential for renewable electricity production in Australia changes the inability of renewables to produce electricity in Alberta when the weather creates a stable air mass?

[chuckChuck]

That's when hydro, gas with CCS, geothermal, and maybe nuclear, all low carbon emitters will cover Alberta's electrical needs.

Alberta's renewable resources aren't as good as Australia's but they are still good when you look at a whole year.

If Australia starts producing ammonia or hydrogen from its vast renewable resources then they will have an exportable stored energy source for those who want it. If the Australia can do it so can the desert southwest of the US and Mexico.

[shtferbrains]

Do you really believe your BS Chuck or do you just keep posting up the same thing over and over to needle us?

[Hamloc]

That's when hydro, gas with CCS, geothermal, and maybe nuclear, all low carbon emitters will cover Alberta's electrical needs.

Alberta's renewable resources aren't as good as Australia's but they are still good when you look at a whole year.

If Australia starts producing ammonia or hydrogen from its vast renewable resources then they will have an exportable stored energy source for those who want it. If the Australia can do it so can the desert southwest of the US and Mexico.

Hydro is a bit of a conundrum for me in Alberta. Alberta has 894 megawatts of hydro capability but I never see it produce anywhere near that. This morning only 190 megawatts of hydro generation or 21.25% efficiency. My thought would be that water levels are much lower in the winter in the reservoirs.

As for ammonia, around here as an example very few farmers use anhydrous ammonia any more for fertilizer. Many of the local fertilizer companies no longer sell it. My understanding is that government kept increasing the regulatory load making it to expensive to continue using.

To produce hydrogen from renewable electricity is water not required? Is there a lot of water in the desert that I am not aware of?

[chuckChuck]

"By converting renewable electricity into an energy-rich gas that can easily be cooled and squeezed into a liquid fuel, MacFarlane's fuel cell effectively bottles sunshine and wind, turning them into a commodity that can be shipped anywhere in the world and converted back into electricity or hydrogen gas to power fuel cell vehicles. The gas bubbling out of the fuel cell is colorless, but environmentally, MacFarlane says, ammonia is as green as can be. "Liquid ammonia is liquid energy," he says. "It's the sustainable technology we need."

Its not just fertilizer. I guess you didn't read the science story from Australia? Here take a look.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...without-carbon https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...without-carbon

Alberta is already developing a hydrogen plan. Whether it will ever use renewable electricity for hydrogen or not is another question.

How we get to a low carbon energy system will depend on a lot of ifs. But to deny that we are heading that way is to stick your head in the desert sand.

[Hamloc]

"By converting renewable electricity into an energy-rich gas that can easily be cooled and squeezed into a liquid fuel, MacFarlane's fuel cell effectively bottles sunshine and wind, turning them into a commodity that can be shipped anywhere in the world and converted back into electricity or hydrogen gas to power fuel cell vehicles. The gas bubbling out of the fuel cell is colorless, but environmentally, MacFarlane says, ammonia is as green as can be. "Liquid ammonia is liquid energy," he says. "It's the sustainable technology we need."

Its not just fertilizer. I guess you didn't read the science story from Australia? Here take a look.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...without-carbon https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...without-carbon

Alberta is already developing a hydrogen plan. Whether it will ever use renewable electricity for hydrogen or not is another question.

How we get to a low carbon energy system will depend on a lot of ifs. But to deny that we are heading that way is to stick your head in the desert sand.

What I find amusing coming from a person who judging by your responses doesn’t even read my posts that you would be surprised I didn’t read the article. As an example no response on the need of water in the desert for hydrogen production. If something interests me I will read it, otherwise I don’t. And there is certainly no doubt that governments are going to spend billions on green energy subsidization but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.

[fjlip]

If Canada did NO GREEN SH*T we would all be money ahead, and the WORLD would NOT notice our Non- Compliance. We are SFA of the problem...IF there even is a problem. It's a solution looking for a problem, in the minds of the WEAK/SLOW/LEFTIST!

[TOM4CWB]

If Canada did NO GREEN SH*T we would all be money ahead, and the WORLD would NOT notice our Non- Compliance. We are SFA of the problem...IF there even is a problem. It's a solution looking for a problem, in the minds of the WEAK/SLOW/LEFTIST!

New World Order:

Social License required to sell: oil, grain, meat, vegetables, Fertilizer, plastic, Natural gas, coal, food products, potatoes, sugar, lumber, paper.

Since we export 70% of what we produce in Alberta... we do need the Social License to survive.

Stop.

Cheers