BUILD BACK BETTER - what does it mean?

[dmlfarmer]

but, but , but.... al gore, david suzuki ?

Difference is we know their background and their views. No idea about even who Nemeth is. Second, Nemeth was paid a commission to create a study, instead of reviewing what actually happened - which is what a public inquiry should focus on. Big difference. When paid a commission the payer has an expectation of what will be produced so fits the narrative the payer wants. Can be done through selection of the contractor or by asking for edits, inclusions, and/or deletions before the final version is published. Third, the Public Inquiry was not focused on climate change yet this is the major argument presented in Nemeth"s work.

[Hamloc]

Difference is we know their background and their views. No idea about even who Nemeth is. Second, Nemeth was paid a commission to create a study, instead of reviewing what actually happened - which is what a public inquiry should focus on. Big difference. When paid a commission the payer has an expectation of what will be produced so fits the narrative the payer wants. Can be done through selection of the contractor or by asking for edits, inclusions, and/or deletions before the final version is published. Third, the Public Inquiry was not focused on climate change yet this is the major argument presented in Nemeth"s work.

Something for you to read: financial post.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-the-ugly-left-wing-media-smear-storm-of-alberta’s-anti-energy-inquiry.

[fjlip]

BUILD BACK BETTER narrative across the globe... watch after 10 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cbIzJy-R0&feature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cbIzJy-R0&feature=share

[chuckChuck]

So Kenney pays $25000 to an unknown author with no particular qualifications to write a paper that is largely a rehash of climate change denial articles? That sounds like a great plan to restart Alberta's struggling economy.

I can't wait to see the proposed state owned oil company he talked about to invest taxpayers money in a bid to ensure continued growth in tar sands development.

How a new state owned oil company will make money is anybodies guess when many private and public oil companies are running away from further investment in the oil sands.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Before reading the two reports linked in this thread you might want to consider the following 4 points:

1. Before reading the reports I tried to find the C.V. of the author Dr. T. L. Nemeth. The few references to this person that I could find included: "Dr. T.L. Nemeth, a Canadian living in the UK with a PhD in history from the University of British Columbia." (https://energynow.ca/) and "The report was authored by energy researcher Tammy Nemeth, who according to the CBC is currently a home-school teacher in England...Nemeth doesn’t appear to be associated with any university or research institution." (/www.vice.com/en/article/88akk3/alberta-inquiry-jason-kenney-paid-dollar28k-for-a-report-smearing-climate-journalists). I could find no references to any other work or papers published by this author.

2. So I wondered how she come to author this report for the Alberta Inquiry. I found that she was commissioned by the Alberta government to write it. According to the vice article: "Asked how she was chosen to supply key evidentiary materials for a major government inquiry, (Alberta Inquiry) spokesperson Boras explained that “she along with others have been engaged and interested in the topic matters and as a result of that discussion she contributed this to the inquiry.”" Multiple sources report she was paid approximately $28,000. for the report by the Alberta Inquiry.

3. Which leads to the question, Why is the Alberta government releasing these two preliminary reports which the Alberta government themselves commissioned and on which they are basing the Inquiry Report before releasing the actual Inquiry report (not scheduled to be released until Jan 31, 2021)? Normally the finished report is released first and then you can access the information on which the report has been based.

4. And is question 3 answered by the negative feedback from some of the reviewers of the preliminary reports? If you are going to read these two reports, read the review of the reports by Martin Olszynski “Textbook Climate Denialism”: A Submission to the Public Inquiry into Anti-Alberta Energy Campaigns" https://ablawg.ca/2021/01/14/textbook-climate-denialism-a-submission-to-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-energy-campaigns/ https://ablawg.ca/2021/01/14/textbook-climate-denialism-a-submission-to-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-energy-campaigns/

Unlike Nemeth, Olszynski provides his background in his submission to the inquiry B.Sc. in Biology (Saskatchewan), LL.B. (Saskatchewan), LL.M. Specialization in Environmental Law (University of California at Berkeley). Associate Professor Faculty of Law, University of Calgary.

So his review of Nemeth's work should be considered including conclusions such as:
"It is difficult to conclusively assess the value of the Nemeth Report without further information about Dr. Nemeth’s qualifications. To an even greater extent than Dr. Cooper’s report, however, the Nemeth Report relies on generalizations, speculation, conjecture, and even conspiracy."

That is quite the review of the "facts" on which the Alberta UPC government has based an $3.5 million Public Inquiry on!

I haven't read the report, and I haven't read the thread. But predictably, I see both dml and Chuck have chimed in. Both have applied their go to response of attacking the author. But I see nothing about the report itself. These tactics get old, this is all we get in response to all their favourite topics.

[dmlfarmer]

I haven't read the report, and I haven't read the thread. But predictably, I see both dml and Chuck have chimed in. Both have applied their go to response of attacking the author. But I see nothing about the report itself. These tactics get old, this is all we get in response to all their favourite topics.

you mean tactics like the way you are attacking me and chuck instead of challenging the information I presented in my post?

As far as your complaint about me not commenting on the Steve Allen report itself that is impossible seeing as it has not even been completed yet. But since you want information on the report itself, here is what I do know:
-it was commissioned in 2019
-it was budgeted to cost Alberta taxpayers $2.5 million
-it had a completion deadline of July 2020
- in July 2020 it was given a 4 month extension and another million dollars (now costing $3.5 million)
-In Oct 2020 it was given another 90 day extension with firm deadline of Jan 31, 2021
-On Jan 29th, United Conservative government issued an order-in-council amending the inquiry's deadline to May 31.

My issue is this "Public" Inquiry has been anything but public. Rather than investigating what actually transpired, the government paid $90,000 to some of these persons; non-experts commissioned to present theories that were outside the parameters of the report. Even Allen stated on the Inquiry website that he did not consider the climate change to be part of the Inquiry's mandate yet that was the focus of the commissioned papers. And why are these commissioned studies being released publically when the Inquiry and report being written based on them is not completed? The process is so bad even USA today trashed it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/01/28/climate-point-biden-takes-aim-fossil-fuels-canada-takes-aim-journalists/4279472001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/01/28/climate-point-biden-takes-aim-fossil-fuels-canada-takes-aim-journalists/4279472001/

[BobFarmer]

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you mean tactics ......
-it had a completion deadline of July 2020
- in July 2020 it was given a 4 month extension ...
-In Oct 2020 it was given another 90 day extension ...
-On Jan 29th, United Conservative government issued an order-in-council amending the inquiry's deadline to May 31.

.....; non-experts commissioned ..... Even Allen stated on the Inquiry website .... yet that was the focus of the commissioned papers. And why are these commissioned studies being released publically when the Inquiry and report being written based on them is not completed? ....

Well, to being answering your completely misleading statements:
1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly as several enviro groups have sued to block, and then when that failed, to try and change the terms of reference, comment, etc, etc. So it is the enviros who are in fact blocking the release. If you would read the inquiry press releases and look at the court records you would easily see this.

2)You may have issues with the expert submitters, but that is only because you don't know what you are talking about. Cooper and Nemeth both have PhDs and both have commented well within their field of research. You particularly seem to have an issue with Nemeth whose primary focus is go'vt policy with respect to Canadian energy.

3) the focus of the Nemeth report was NOT climate change. Those 2 reports are over 200 pages long, extremely detailed, very well referenced (over 400 references), and less than 10-11 pages talk about climate change. Even that was briefly done simply to give a background. It was NOT a climate change report by any reasonable person's definition.

People need to read the reports, check the links and confirm for themselves. Unfortunately, there are many who simply attack the authors instead of actually looking at the details.

Then, go research Trudeau's Green deal platform, these reports are bang on.

[Guest]

Thanks for calling out his bullshit

[sumdumguy]

I read the Nemeth report. It is bang on.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Welcome to the forum BobFarmer. You are off to a great start with your first post.
Thank you for the well researched informative post to counter the disinformation and personal attacks coming from the detractors.

[Guest]

Also Bobfarmer , not sure how long you have been on here, but this paticular poster prides himself on "calling out bullshit"

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE]

paraphrased for brevity


Well, to being answering your completely misleading statements:
1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly as several enviro groups have sued to block, and then when that failed, to try and change the terms of reference, comment, etc, etc. So it is the enviros who are in fact blocking the release. If you would read the inquiry press releases and look at the court records you would easily see this.

Hey Bob, too bad Alberta energy spokesman does not agree with your claim that the report is complete and that it is being withheld by "envios". "Peter Brodksy, an Alberta Energy spokesman, says cabinet granted Allen’s request for more time to ensure he is able to complete his investigation into what the government calls “a possible well-funded foreign campaign aimed at discrediting the province’s energy sector.”LAUREN KRUGEL, THE CANADIAN PRESS
actual quote: "Cabinet has granted the commissioner’s request for an extension to ensure he is able to complete a comprehensive investigation into a possible well-funded foreign campaign aimed at discrediting the province’s energy sector,” Peter Brodsky, press secretary for Alberta Energy Minister Sonya Savage, wrote in an email.

Or that Allen's own spokesman disagree with you "(Steve Allen's) spokesman, Alan Boras, who repeatedly deflected questions in recent weeks about whether Mr. Allan would meet his looming deadline, says the delays include needing to finalize his terms of reference as the government was focused on responding to the pandemic." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-western-canada-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-environmentalists/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-western-canada-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-environmentalists/

Another interesting fact is the government has 90 days after receiving the report to release it to the public. So if the report is finally completed by May 31 and presented to the government, it still does not have to be made public for another 90 days (late august)

Or how about the statements from Allen himself which are contrary to your claims"
"The commissioner of Alberta’s inquiry into the funding of oil and gas industry critics says a deadline extension will allow more time for the inquiry to get responses from the people it names." “This extension allows us to undertake and complete the Inquiry’s processes in a timely and fair manner,” Allan said in the statement posted to the inquiry’s website." https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/deadline-extension-will-mean-more-time-to-get-responses-oil-inquiry-head-explains https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/deadline-extension-will-mean-more-time-to-get-responses-oil-inquiry-head-explains

Maybe your statements Bob are the misleading ones! Nice try though!

Oh and by the way you are right both Nemeth and Cooper have Phds. Nemeth in History and Cooper in Political Science. But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.