BUILD BACK BETTER - what does it mean?

[BobFarmer]

paraphrased for brevity

you mean tactics ......
-it had a completion deadline of July 2020
- in July 2020 it was given a 4 month extension ...
-In Oct 2020 it was given another 90 day extension ...
-On Jan 29th, United Conservative government issued an order-in-council amending the inquiry's deadline to May 31.

.....; non-experts commissioned ..... Even Allen stated on the Inquiry website .... yet that was the focus of the commissioned papers. And why are these commissioned studies being released publically when the Inquiry and report being written based on them is not completed? ....

Well, to being answering your completely misleading statements:
1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly as several enviro groups have sued to block, and then when that failed, to try and change the terms of reference, comment, etc, etc. So it is the enviros who are in fact blocking the release. If you would read the inquiry press releases and look at the court records you would easily see this.

2)You may have issues with the expert submitters, but that is only because you don't know what you are talking about. Cooper and Nemeth both have PhDs and both have commented well within their field of research. You particularly seem to have an issue with Nemeth whose primary focus is go'vt policy with respect to Canadian energy.

3) the focus of the Nemeth report was NOT climate change. Those 2 reports are over 200 pages long, extremely detailed, very well referenced (over 400 references), and less than 10-11 pages talk about climate change. Even that was briefly done simply to give a background. It was NOT a climate change report by any reasonable person's definition.

People need to read the reports, check the links and confirm for themselves. Unfortunately, there are many who simply attack the authors instead of actually looking at the details.

Then, go research Trudeau's Green deal platform, these reports are bang on.

[Guest]

Thanks for calling out his bullshit

[sumdumguy]

I read the Nemeth report. It is bang on.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Welcome to the forum BobFarmer. You are off to a great start with your first post.
Thank you for the well researched informative post to counter the disinformation and personal attacks coming from the detractors.

[Guest]

Also Bobfarmer , not sure how long you have been on here, but this paticular poster prides himself on "calling out bullshit"

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE]

paraphrased for brevity


Well, to being answering your completely misleading statements:
1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly as several enviro groups have sued to block, and then when that failed, to try and change the terms of reference, comment, etc, etc. So it is the enviros who are in fact blocking the release. If you would read the inquiry press releases and look at the court records you would easily see this.

Hey Bob, too bad Alberta energy spokesman does not agree with your claim that the report is complete and that it is being withheld by "envios". "Peter Brodksy, an Alberta Energy spokesman, says cabinet granted Allen’s request for more time to ensure he is able to complete his investigation into what the government calls “a possible well-funded foreign campaign aimed at discrediting the province’s energy sector.”LAUREN KRUGEL, THE CANADIAN PRESS
actual quote: "Cabinet has granted the commissioner’s request for an extension to ensure he is able to complete a comprehensive investigation into a possible well-funded foreign campaign aimed at discrediting the province’s energy sector,” Peter Brodsky, press secretary for Alberta Energy Minister Sonya Savage, wrote in an email.

Or that Allen's own spokesman disagree with you "(Steve Allen's) spokesman, Alan Boras, who repeatedly deflected questions in recent weeks about whether Mr. Allan would meet his looming deadline, says the delays include needing to finalize his terms of reference as the government was focused on responding to the pandemic." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-western-canada-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-environmentalists/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-western-canada-the-public-inquiry-into-anti-alberta-environmentalists/

Another interesting fact is the government has 90 days after receiving the report to release it to the public. So if the report is finally completed by May 31 and presented to the government, it still does not have to be made public for another 90 days (late august)

Or how about the statements from Allen himself which are contrary to your claims"
"The commissioner of Alberta’s inquiry into the funding of oil and gas industry critics says a deadline extension will allow more time for the inquiry to get responses from the people it names." “This extension allows us to undertake and complete the Inquiry’s processes in a timely and fair manner,” Allan said in the statement posted to the inquiry’s website." https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/deadline-extension-will-mean-more-time-to-get-responses-oil-inquiry-head-explains https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/deadline-extension-will-mean-more-time-to-get-responses-oil-inquiry-head-explains

Maybe your statements Bob are the misleading ones! Nice try though!

Oh and by the way you are right both Nemeth and Cooper have Phds. Nemeth in History and Cooper in Political Science. But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.

[BobFarmer]

Well, no surprise that you mis-understood the acutal press release, try reading it again:

https://albertainquiry.ca/news

"The Alberta Inquiry has requested and received permission to extend the schedule for submitting its Final Report to Alberta’s Minister of Energy to May 31, 2021. We are pleased to have this extension as it allows us to complete the Participants for Response process, a fundamental component of the Inquiry established in the Rules of Procedure and Practice in September 2020. It has always been our intention to engage with persons who may be subject to a finding of misconduct or the subject of a materially adverse factual finding such that they be afforded an opportunity to respond."

Note the part "....to complete the Participants for Response process...." This is where the enviro whackjobs and their sychophant reporters who are being exposed have taken the inquiry to court claiming unfairness. They are allowed more time to respond and it is THEY who are delaying the report. They too have nothing of substance to actually critique, other than it is all so unfair.

You should quote the release from the inquiry website and not some lazy journalist's quote, or did you knowingly mislead yet again?

You also seem to miss the part from the G&M where the enviros sought to block the commission completely. In fact, you seem to miss a lot of things....

[QUOTE=dmlfarmer;485737]

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Oh and by the way you are right both Nemeth and Cooper have Phds. Nemeth in History and Cooper in Political Science. But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.

Oh, so you accept their reports and their credentials but just not the fact that they submitted? Or are you just missing another point, yet again?

Let me guess, all the enviro groups have a right to be heard in the commission but not the people the commission asked to submit? Is Trudeau's drama teacher background also OK enough to be PM?

[BobFarmer]

Also Bobfarmer , not sure how long you have been on here, but this paticular poster prides himself on "calling out bullshit"

He is a deceiver, always claiming to spread truth but doing everything possible to undermine it. His type are on all the forums and boards and everyone knows who they are. They convince no-one, not even themselves. Have no idea if he is being paid to do so, many are.

[Guest]

He definitely comes up with new propoganda quickly
As if staff assisting

[dmlfarmer]

Hey Bob:
The very first thing you said and I quote: "1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly" I point out to you that it was the Inquiry that requested this 3rd extension and provided a quote by Allen himself, that in fact is taken directly from the Inquiry website. Go back and read it for yourself: "“This extension allows us to undertake and complete the Inquiry’s processes in a timely and fair manner.,” I backed this statement up with quotes from Allen's assistant and the assistant to the Energy Minister. So either the report is not done and they are using 3 more months to add participants responses as claimed by Allen et al or the Public Inquiry is even more fraudulent if the report has been completed as you claim before responses by participants have even been heard much less included. Which is it Bob?

[dmlfarmer]

He is a deceiver, always claiming to spread truth but doing everything possible to undermine it. His type are on all the forums and boards and everyone knows who they are. They convince no-one, not even themselves. Have no idea if he is being paid to do so, many are.

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

As I was saying earlier, if all you have left for comebacks are character assassinations, then you have already lost the battle.
Even if Bobfarmer is premier Kenney himself, does it change the facts he presents?
When you or Chuck accidentally make a good point, I always make a point of acknowledging it. The messenger is irrelevant it is the message which matters.

[dmlfarmer]

As I was saying earlier, if all you have left for comebacks are character assassinations, then you have already lost the battle.
Even if Bobfarmer is premier Kenney himself, does it change the facts he presents?
When you or Chuck accidentally make a good point, I always make a point of acknowledging it. The messenger is irrelevant it is the message which matters.

Thank you for the well researched informative post to counter the disinformation and personal attacks coming from the detractors.

I haven't read the report, and I haven't read the thread. But predictably, I see both dml and Chuck have chimed in. Both have applied their go to response of attacking the author. But I see nothing about the report itself. These tactics get old, this is all we get in response to all their favourite topics.

LMAO at AF5
You state you haven't read the reports being discussed yet you chimed in 3 times on the thread, and in all three times the only thing you contributed was a personal attack as bolded in your three posts copied above. And you accuse me of personal attacking. Why not call out Case for his comments on this thread too AF5. He says nothing to back up his personal attacks on me accusing me of BS and suggesting with no proof that I have a research staff. At least if I call BS I provide reasons for the call.

And exactly which "facts" are you crediting Bob with? His claim that the report is completed which is contrary to the statement by Allen himself in the media, and on the website. Or the fact the two commissioned writers have Phds which I never disputed?

[LEP]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

Why would you know someone's style enough for it to be familiar? Are you a paid to troll?

[BobFarmer]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

Here is the style of a paid troll:

Difference is we know their background and their views. No idea about even who Nemeth is. Second, Nemeth was paid a commission to create a study, instead of reviewing what actually happened - which is what a public inquiry should focus on. Big difference. When paid a commission the payer has an expectation of what will be produced so fits the narrative the payer wants. Can be done through selection of the contractor or by asking for edits, inclusions, and/or deletions before the final version is published. Third, the Public Inquiry was not focused on climate change yet this is the major argument presented in Nemeth"s work.

1) You've no idea about the submission authors as you were too lazy to actually research and instead just took what some lazy 'journalist' typed as the gospel truth. So, you are wrong.

2) Nemeth actually reviewed what happened and is happening against Albert Oil. Energy policy is Nemeth's specialty. So, you are wrong, again!

3) Climate change was not a focus, 10 pages out of 200+ is not a focus. So, you are wrong yet again.

Then you go on

But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.

Most people generally understand that things that have happened, have done so in the past, i.e. they are now history. Who better than to go and try an piece it together than a trained historian, one with an energy policy specialty. You believe that only Judges can determine what actually transpired, well, pray tell - how are they supposed to make a determination if they have no information to work with. They'd be just like you if they did so.

Oh wait, But, but the report isn't complete you'd say, because G&M have a quote. Again, you rely on lazy journalists and trust their quotes while the source has its own press release which clearly states:

We are pleased to have this extension as it allows us to complete the Participants for Response process, a fundamental component of the Inquiry established in the Rules of Procedure and Practice in September 2020. It has always been our intention to engage with persons who may be subject to a finding of misconduct or the subject of a materially adverse factual finding such that they be afforded an opportunity to respond.

Which, if you have ever been involved in a press release means we have been forced to give them more time, the enviros already had time but want more time. They'd prefer to block or sue but so far haven't been able to, so they delay and spin stories that it is the commission which is slow.

I know some are dreading the final report, and if the submissions are any indication it is gonna be one hell of report. The left is going to go even more nuts, threaten all sorts of legal action, cry victim, unfairness, etc, etc, etc.

So, you are wrong, again, again and again. Most reasonable people would just stop at this point and lick their wounds and come back on another topic. Why do I get the feeling you are not reasonable?