BUILD BACK BETTER - what does it mean?

[BobFarmer]

Well, no surprise that you mis-understood the acutal press release, try reading it again:

https://albertainquiry.ca/news

"The Alberta Inquiry has requested and received permission to extend the schedule for submitting its Final Report to Alberta’s Minister of Energy to May 31, 2021. We are pleased to have this extension as it allows us to complete the Participants for Response process, a fundamental component of the Inquiry established in the Rules of Procedure and Practice in September 2020. It has always been our intention to engage with persons who may be subject to a finding of misconduct or the subject of a materially adverse factual finding such that they be afforded an opportunity to respond."

Note the part "....to complete the Participants for Response process...." This is where the enviro whackjobs and their sychophant reporters who are being exposed have taken the inquiry to court claiming unfairness. They are allowed more time to respond and it is THEY who are delaying the report. They too have nothing of substance to actually critique, other than it is all so unfair.

You should quote the release from the inquiry website and not some lazy journalist's quote, or did you knowingly mislead yet again?

You also seem to miss the part from the G&M where the enviros sought to block the commission completely. In fact, you seem to miss a lot of things....

[QUOTE=dmlfarmer;485737]

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Oh and by the way you are right both Nemeth and Cooper have Phds. Nemeth in History and Cooper in Political Science. But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.

Oh, so you accept their reports and their credentials but just not the fact that they submitted? Or are you just missing another point, yet again?

Let me guess, all the enviro groups have a right to be heard in the commission but not the people the commission asked to submit? Is Trudeau's drama teacher background also OK enough to be PM?

[BobFarmer]

Also Bobfarmer , not sure how long you have been on here, but this paticular poster prides himself on "calling out bullshit"

He is a deceiver, always claiming to spread truth but doing everything possible to undermine it. His type are on all the forums and boards and everyone knows who they are. They convince no-one, not even themselves. Have no idea if he is being paid to do so, many are.

[Guest]

He definitely comes up with new propoganda quickly
As if staff assisting

[dmlfarmer]

Hey Bob:
The very first thing you said and I quote: "1) The report is complete but cannot be released publicly" I point out to you that it was the Inquiry that requested this 3rd extension and provided a quote by Allen himself, that in fact is taken directly from the Inquiry website. Go back and read it for yourself: "“This extension allows us to undertake and complete the Inquiry’s processes in a timely and fair manner.,” I backed this statement up with quotes from Allen's assistant and the assistant to the Energy Minister. So either the report is not done and they are using 3 more months to add participants responses as claimed by Allen et al or the Public Inquiry is even more fraudulent if the report has been completed as you claim before responses by participants have even been heard much less included. Which is it Bob?

[dmlfarmer]

He is a deceiver, always claiming to spread truth but doing everything possible to undermine it. His type are on all the forums and boards and everyone knows who they are. They convince no-one, not even themselves. Have no idea if he is being paid to do so, many are.

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

As I was saying earlier, if all you have left for comebacks are character assassinations, then you have already lost the battle.
Even if Bobfarmer is premier Kenney himself, does it change the facts he presents?
When you or Chuck accidentally make a good point, I always make a point of acknowledging it. The messenger is irrelevant it is the message which matters.

[dmlfarmer]

As I was saying earlier, if all you have left for comebacks are character assassinations, then you have already lost the battle.
Even if Bobfarmer is premier Kenney himself, does it change the facts he presents?
When you or Chuck accidentally make a good point, I always make a point of acknowledging it. The messenger is irrelevant it is the message which matters.

Thank you for the well researched informative post to counter the disinformation and personal attacks coming from the detractors.

I haven't read the report, and I haven't read the thread. But predictably, I see both dml and Chuck have chimed in. Both have applied their go to response of attacking the author. But I see nothing about the report itself. These tactics get old, this is all we get in response to all their favourite topics.

LMAO at AF5
You state you haven't read the reports being discussed yet you chimed in 3 times on the thread, and in all three times the only thing you contributed was a personal attack as bolded in your three posts copied above. And you accuse me of personal attacking. Why not call out Case for his comments on this thread too AF5. He says nothing to back up his personal attacks on me accusing me of BS and suggesting with no proof that I have a research staff. At least if I call BS I provide reasons for the call.

And exactly which "facts" are you crediting Bob with? His claim that the report is completed which is contrary to the statement by Allen himself in the media, and on the website. Or the fact the two commissioned writers have Phds which I never disputed?

[LEP]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

Why would you know someone's style enough for it to be familiar? Are you a paid to troll?

[BobFarmer]

Just one question Bob. Do you work for the UCP or are you an employee of the War Room? Your style is very familiar.

Here is the style of a paid troll:

Difference is we know their background and their views. No idea about even who Nemeth is. Second, Nemeth was paid a commission to create a study, instead of reviewing what actually happened - which is what a public inquiry should focus on. Big difference. When paid a commission the payer has an expectation of what will be produced so fits the narrative the payer wants. Can be done through selection of the contractor or by asking for edits, inclusions, and/or deletions before the final version is published. Third, the Public Inquiry was not focused on climate change yet this is the major argument presented in Nemeth"s work.

1) You've no idea about the submission authors as you were too lazy to actually research and instead just took what some lazy 'journalist' typed as the gospel truth. So, you are wrong.

2) Nemeth actually reviewed what happened and is happening against Albert Oil. Energy policy is Nemeth's specialty. So, you are wrong, again!

3) Climate change was not a focus, 10 pages out of 200+ is not a focus. So, you are wrong yet again.

Then you go on

But the question is why were they commissioned for studies when a Public Inquiry is a legal process seeking to determine what actually transpired and is typically conducted by a Judge not an accountant.

Most people generally understand that things that have happened, have done so in the past, i.e. they are now history. Who better than to go and try an piece it together than a trained historian, one with an energy policy specialty. You believe that only Judges can determine what actually transpired, well, pray tell - how are they supposed to make a determination if they have no information to work with. They'd be just like you if they did so.

Oh wait, But, but the report isn't complete you'd say, because G&M have a quote. Again, you rely on lazy journalists and trust their quotes while the source has its own press release which clearly states:

We are pleased to have this extension as it allows us to complete the Participants for Response process, a fundamental component of the Inquiry established in the Rules of Procedure and Practice in September 2020. It has always been our intention to engage with persons who may be subject to a finding of misconduct or the subject of a materially adverse factual finding such that they be afforded an opportunity to respond.

Which, if you have ever been involved in a press release means we have been forced to give them more time, the enviros already had time but want more time. They'd prefer to block or sue but so far haven't been able to, so they delay and spin stories that it is the commission which is slow.

I know some are dreading the final report, and if the submissions are any indication it is gonna be one hell of report. The left is going to go even more nuts, threaten all sorts of legal action, cry victim, unfairness, etc, etc, etc.

So, you are wrong, again, again and again. Most reasonable people would just stop at this point and lick their wounds and come back on another topic. Why do I get the feeling you are not reasonable?

[dmlfarmer]

...."Which, if you have ever been involved in a press release means we have been forced to give them more time, the enviros already had time but want more time. They'd prefer to block or sue but so far haven't been able to, so they delay and spin stories that it is the commission which is slow.

I know some are dreading the final report, and if the submissions are any indication it is gonna be one hell of report. The left is going to go even more nuts, threaten all sorts of legal action, cry victim, unfairness, etc, etc, etc.

So, you are wrong, again, again and again. Most reasonable people would just stop at this point and lick their wounds and come back on another topic. Why do I get the feeling you are not reasonable?"

What an interesting response! Which leads to the question, who is the we you refer to in your statement I quoted above? Are you part of the government or the Inquiry as the sentence seems to imply? Or at least had a role with the press releases related to the government publication of the reports seeming as you claim to have an understanding of press releases and specifically what this particular press release intended? That being the case I will ask you again the question which you ignored in my last response, Is the Allen Inquiry actually completed as you claimed in your first sentence the first time you posted on this site. Please be reasonable and answer my questions rather than your personal attacks on me

[BobFarmer]

What an interesting response! Which leads to the question, who is the we you refer to in your statement I quoted above? Are you part of the government or the Inquiry as the sentence seems to imply? Or at least had a role with the press releases related to the government publication of the reports seeming as you claim to have an understanding of press releases and specifically what this particular press release intended? That being the case I will ask you again the question which you ignored in my last response, Is the Allen Inquiry actually completed as you claimed in your first sentence the first time you posted on this site. Please be reasonable and answer my questions rather than your personal attacks on me

We is a typo, happens sometimes. I've nothing to do with the inquiry.

As for personal attacks, I've read your posts on this forum. You are no victim here! That is your primary means of arguing, whether it be at posters or people in the news. Start arguing about what is actually written and you'll notice that others do the same.

[littledoggie]

What is NET ZERO? Has anyone really explained how it will change our lives? Aside from the pathetic response 'but, but, but, windmills and solar panels' they have NO REAL SOLUTIONS. Had they used a different approach, we might have been able to have a conversation. But no, they shout down conversation.

Danielle Smith interviews Dr. Nemeth - https://omny.fm/shows/danielle-smith/a-deep-dive-into-the-nemeth-report?in_playlist=podcast https://omny.fm/shows/danielle-smith/a-deep-dive-into-the-nemeth-report?in_playlist=podcast