Has anyone participated in Code of Practice zoom meetings

[bucket]

If you have...what was your opinion of what they were saying.?

[rodd]

I did. Then read through the whole thing. I would say that our farm is already doing 90% of these practices. Most of it is common sense in the grain farming world if you want to make a living at it and keep your ground in good condition. There are a few things that could be modified, but overall I didn't find it out of line.
I think voluntary participation is good, but what will it lead to.
There is a lot of backlash over it, I hope the comments that we all make will be listened to.
Is this part of "big brother's plan"? maybe, I won't lose sleep over it and will probably sign up, just for the premium I will receive for being in it. Yeah, right. I'm sure the grain trade will force us to comply, or you won't be able to market your grain/meat.

Just my 2 cents

I just heard of a lease a few miles west of here, north of the valley that the Vancouver landlords put a clause in renewal "if soil borne disease is detected (clubroot etc), then tenant is liable for decrease in land value" Current tennant backed away due to the clause. Wow, is that next for all of us?

[Rareearth]

Bid on it, have force majour, included, and any carbon credit benefits accrued during and after the lease expires (plus interest 😊) accrue to the farmer. Following implementation of Farming code of practice reduces rental agreement payments by 15 %.

That was fun, and I feel a bit better, 😊

[bucket]

I was on the January 27 meeting. Here is what I see wrong with a code of practice for farmers while the rest of the industry that includes plant breeders, graincos etc have no code .period.

I highlighted the Triffid event...it may be a voluntary code but that resulted in every farmer growing flax to be mandated to do testing...or you couldn't sell....even if you were following a code of practice you are not immune to the results.

A second incident that got me thinking after the meeting was the deershit episode...what code of practice was the graincos following in their cleaning...and who was brough along to pay the bill?

Another thought that comes to mind is a code of practice for people that affect my markets...two things in the last 5 years....Mr. Dressup in India and Bobblehead Freeland making remarks to the Saudis...

What good is a code of practice when you have a government working against you...


There is also what Bibeau announced a few days ago that flies in the face of voluntary of this code...

So you have a voluntary code being implemented and protocol suggested by ECCC...the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing...

And don't kid yourselves ...this is a draft for legislation.

[Oliver88]

Were the people that figured a code was a good idea actually full time farmers?
This will be mandatory and grain companies will simply add it to their declarations. 🤬

[Rareearth]

Is fusarium, ergot, sclerotinia, root rots, soybean type nematodes, etc controllable or manageable on farm?

At what cost..... seed, fungicides, rotations and other practices would make the farm “unbankable” , unprofitable, unsustainable, un-fun, uncompetitive.

If farmers are going to help Canada get out of debt, the gross and net incomes must increase.

[Braveheart]

One of my issues with the code is, no one ever has considered how to monetize it in favour of farmers. Of course many of us already practice this but, for anyone down the supply chain to want my "assurance" should cost money. Ted Menzies and DU don't seem to get this. Shame.

[wmoebis]

Were the people that figured a code was a good idea actually full time farmers?
This will be mandatory and grain companies will simply add it to their declarations. 🤬

It is very interesting doing background checks and looking into the positions these people hold and who they actually work for.

[burnt]

It is very interesting doing background checks and looking into the positions these people hold and who they actually work for.

Some time ago, I was looking into the makeup of the actual writers that were forming farm policy in Ontario's Provincial Policy Statement. These "policies" come into effect locally at the county Planning level.

I pushed up the chain a bit higher to try to find out who sat in those committees - asked for their names.

The response was one of near shock and then - why do you want to know their names?

I said because I want to know what their background is, what their connections are and who they actually represent.

Oh we can't give you their names, that's private information.

Really? Well answer me this - why can some "private" unidentified individual make up policy that has a broad, public effect on personal, private property?

Nothing.

Like George Carlin said, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it".

These Code of Practice meetings are nothing other than a backdoor instrument by which outside interests insidiously insert their agenda on a group over which they want to gain control.

And the facilitators - likely hand-picked for their smooth homogeneity - and participants might as well see themselves for what they are - a bunch of breathless, fresh-faced, naive babies who are being used to engineer their own harm.

You think you're having an impact on the process and outcome? Guess again.

"Any questions?", they ask. So you ask a question - "Oh, excellent question..." and then trail off on some ridiculous, unintelligible word salad that leaves the hearers less knowledgeable for having heard it.

Your input in merely the facade that gives the pre-determined outcome the veneer of legitimacy - "We consulted with the stakeholders and this is what they said they would like to see".

Bullshit.

Look up the "Delphi method". These sessions are a carefully engineered process that makes the public "feel" like they were involved in the outcome, when nothing is further from reality.

As having been in a few, it's become kinda fun to mess with their little program by engaging with a few others beforehand and proactively forming a pattern of action that messes them up.

They hate it. But it's fun exposing the conniving ******.

[bucket]

So you are saying I won't be able to get in on another zoom meeting?

You are right though...I asked about Triffid as an example and they said " thats a good point " and went on to something else....they also ignored most of my chat questions or comments...because I asked if farmers were concerned about who was on the board...no answer...

[burnt]

For example - was at a County Official Plan review meeting a little over a year ago. Sat at the 'Environment" table where the county planner was holding forth on the importance of mapping the "natural features" such as wetlands.

She has a well-established reputation as a highly functional member of the canine genus.

I asked if the wetland mapping meets all the Provincial criteria for being legally designated as such.

She replied that the Conservation Authorities had created the maps, so yes, they likely do.

Being quite familiar with the Provincially mandated process, I asked if she is familiar with the "Ontario Wetland Evaluation System" - it lays out in fine detail the step-by step process for evaluating and designating a wetland.

She replied, "I've heard of it".

So then I asked if she can affirm that the legally-mandated steps have been followed in the county mapping of these features.. She saw where this was heading and replied, "Are you suggesting that we tear up the county mapping?"

I replied, "I'm suggesting that you had better be able to produce the (pertinent accrediting pages) from that System because, otherwise, when you face a legal challenge on this mapping, it won't go well for you".

She was right pissed, knowing that she had lost control of the "conversation".

The best part was that there were a number of municipal councilors sitting in the round table. They knew she had just got her ass handed to her, but didn't know the significance of the exchange.

They remain willfully ignorant.

[bfl2008]

This is quite concerning as it is not being represented by farmers, but career commission director farmers. They rarely represent the majority of farmers' interest, rather their own personal opinions.

Call your commissions, demand a voice, be willing to represent. I heard AB's member was only because no one else volunteered, not sure I believe it but if that's the case...pretty sad.

Commissions are feeling the heat with refund requests at all time highs so they should have it in their interest to do what their farmers ask of them. But if no one reaches out...shame on us.