USA v Australia

[malleefarmer]

Joe Biden hit the accelerator on climate action this week. In an all-hands-on-deck approach, the US President declared Wednesday to be "climate day at the White House", as he unveiled plans to freeze oil and gas leases on public land and double offshore wind energy.

He's converting the vast government car fleet to electric vehicles (made in the USA) and plans to host a climate summit of world leaders in April. The climate crisis, he says, is an existential threat.

Joe Biden signs three executive orders to tackle climate change.
Australia, meanwhile, remains stuck in climate policy paralysis.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison supports reaching net-zero carbon emissions, but he can't say when this should happen — a rather important part of the equation. He wants more gas in the energy mix, but it's unclear who will pay and whether a big new gas plant is even viable.

And even the idea of funding a new coal-fired power plant won't go away.

[malleefarmer]

Gut feel australia will be shunned and locked out of deals etc in future.

Fair bit of arm twisting will happen behind the scenes until we join in.

Thats the way the world is.

[Guest]

I don’t think you realize how lucky you are to have a”man at the wheel”

[Sheepwheat]

Biden also said that by midsummer, they will have enough vaccines to treat up to 300 Americans, in another classic garbled, dementia ridden speech.

[malleefarmer]

Gotta strike a balance.

The all in approach is fraught with danger.

See some of your restrictions been there done that way back when.

For quite a right wing conservative PM when it come to covid did almost super leftv decisions from the outset.

[Austrian Economics]

Gut feel australia will be shunned and locked out of deals etc in future.

Fair bit of arm twisting will happen behind the scenes until we join in.

Thats the way the world is.

Those are the kind of "deals" any sensible nation should be happy they are not a part of, since the main requirement is to agree to economic suicide.

[WiltonRanch]

Biden is a one term show. A sensible republican will oust his arse or Kamala with little effort in 4 years. Though, the shift to electric will proceed irrespective of who’s in power now. GM shifting to electric I think was at the behest of their owner the us treasury. Good to be in the good books ahead of needing another bailout.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hold the course.

The world will discover their ill concieved plans won't work as well as planned, and after having destroyed their domestic energy industries, will be desperate for solutions that work. Australia will be ready to fill that void. Be prepared to accept a lot of refugees from the former first world.
Except China of course. Coal power keeps increasing.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/chinas-2020-coal-output-rises-to-highest-since-2015-undermining-climate-pledges-2021-01-17 https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/chinas-2020-coal-output-rises-to-highest-since-2015-undermining-climate-pledges-2021-01-17

[WiltonRanch]

I have no I’ll will to electric vehicles or any new tech which reduces emissions. I have a hatred of tech on bs ideas which are supposed to be green but use more energy than they create, and the assumption one size fits all. Solar panels fine enough at the right latitude. Don’t try to tell me they’re the same at 50 degrees latitude. Don’t shut down completely energy sources you already have neither. There needs to be a balanced basket of energy sources for plain out national security for god sakes. The day will come when this rings true. Gosh! That phone call from the JW this morning got me riled up lol

[blackjack]

You pretty well summed up what most of the people I associate with think in the ranching community ...WiltonRanch

[Oliver88]

Biden is a one term show. A sensible republican will oust his arse or Kamala with little effort in 4 years. Though, the shift to electric will proceed irrespective of who’s in power now. GM shifting to electric I think was at the behest of their owner the us treasury. Good to be in the good books ahead of needing another bailout.

The issue with electric vehicles is the power grid. California already has issues supplying electricity, what happens when 20 million vehicles are plugged in overnight?

Will they have to build more dependable energy power generation plants? Coal, hydro, natural gas, nuclear?

[WiltonRanch]

The issue with electric vehicles is the power grid. California already has issues supplying electricity, what happens when 20 million vehicles are plugged in overnight?

Will they have to build more dependable energy power generation plants? Coal, hydro, natural gas, nuclear?

Precisely. Too much cart before the horse. Road a bunch of EV cars with an inadequate grid what could go wrong? I suppose nuke is finally going to be considered green by the eco nuts?

[burnt]

Gut feel australia will be shunned and locked out of deals etc in future.

Fair bit of arm twisting will happen behind the scenes until we join in.

Thats the way the world is.

Something like this?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-31/companies-consider-excluding-hong-kong-from-legal-contracts-ft?utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_cam paign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_medium=social https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-31/companies-consider-excluding-hong-kong-from-legal-contracts-ft?utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_cam paign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_medium=social
Companies Consider Excluding Hong Kong From Legal Contracts: FT
"International companies operating in Asia are considering leaving Hong Kong out of legal contracts amid concerns about China’s growing control, the Financial Times reported, citing people it didn’t identify.

Lawyers in the region have received a surge of queries from clients about excluding Hong Kong from governing law and arbitration clauses when conducting business there or entering into joint ventures..."

Biden knows which side his bread is buttered on.

[Guest]

Precisely. Too much cart before the horse. Road a bunch of EV cars with an inadequate grid what could go wrong? I suppose nuke is finally going to be considered green by the eco nuts?

there is no other answer