World's biggest battery with 1,200MW capacity set to be built in NSW Hunter Valley

[farming101]

Some observations:

Battery backup can most profitably be used to replace peak loads.
Batteries must be kept charged for use at all costs.
Batteries will often be charged at off peak times.
This may require that carbon based fuels will be used to provide the charge.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'm puzzled as to why Chuck would keep posting these articles about the expensive attempted patches Australia or others are trying to use to stabilize the grids they purposefully destroyed.

They certainly don't help his cause.

Why advertise that the biggest battery in the world is so inconsequential it can only at best keep the grid from crashing long enough to get the consumers to reduce their loads? This isn't remotely large enough to sustain demand.

Chuck posts article after article gloating about the billions of dollars being spent to try to salvage the billions already spent by putting more patches on. Then goes on to tell us how renewables are the cheapest generation source, while ignoring all of the consequential costs, which he so generously points out.

Difficult at times to figure out whose side he is on. Understandable why dml and others have stopped coming to his rescue when he digs himself a hole.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hamloc, the $3.5 trillion may prove to have been much too low. As it turns out, a week long wind drought is not unusual. I've been watching the Kettle Hills wind farm(at 0MW again this morning). Now down to 15% capacity factor over a 17 day period, in spite of a powerful Chinook in the middle of that. I thought that must be the exception, so I checked back using the same lenght of time. 2 years ago at this time the capacity factor was down to 5% over 17 days. Has been multiple events where it went down to 10%or 7% for 17 days. So looks like we need to budget for 2 or even 3 weeks of storage in a zero carbon economy. That is getting into the 10's of Trillions just for Alberta.

But on the bright side, Chuck keeps claiming that storage costs are dropping, becoming competitive, imagine how much it would have cost otherwise.

And there is where the problem lies. Naive people unable to do math read an uninformed headline such as this one. Repeat it and spread it. When you see that often enough, it is easy to believe that grid scale storage really is viable and scalable and economical. We have politicians buying into this, unable to do even basic math.

[Robertbarlage]

[Guest]

won't make the news on msn

[Robertbarlage]

Nope all that green shit is wast of money and no one gives a shit for some reason. Doesn't help climate one iota!

[chuckChuck]

So since wind and solar don't work in Alberta why do energy companies keep installing both?

Obviously you guys know more than the AESO does. LOL

[shtferbrains]

The government is involved.

[fjlip]

All part of the RESET, change for sake of change, to benefit $$$ the very rich building/investing in this green SH*T! Someone said staying the same is going backwards? THEY keep repeating the LIE and LOUDER like CC. It ain't BROKE but THEY are going to fix it!

[chuckChuck]

So Kenney must be in favour of renewable electrcity and phasing out coal for electricity?

But Alberta's electrical system has been privatized and deregulated and most of the payers are public or private corporations.

[shtferbrains]

Look up The Duck Curve.

To much solar already.

People like you can't see it.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So since wind and solar don't work in Alberta why do energy companies keep installing both?

Obviously you guys know more than the AESO does. LOL

By this logic, Crystal Meth is obviously very good stuff, after all, people make it, people sell it, people consume it. Gambling is a very profitable activity, why else would all these people go to Casino's and play on the VLT's. Smoking is good for you, must be, companies sell it, and people consume it. If I start a company selling buggy whips, that would automatically mean that there is a demand, and it is profitable. etc.

An even better example though, is food production ( and nearly every other consumer good) before during and after the Soviet Union. The country went from self sufficiency, to mandated production which led to mass starvation, and eventually to huge imports, then with the end of prodution mandates, back to huge surpluses. Just because bureaucrats wave their magic wand and say this must be so, doesn't make it economical, or viable.