Power off most of Northeast Sask at -50 windchill , carbon tax ?????

[furrowtickler]

There was a proposal for a dam just west of the Battlefords. Would have been a very big project but it got scuttled due to environmental concerns and cultural heritage sites further west up river.
That was 15-20 years ago , the “obstacles” at that time made it not feasible.
The newer natural gas power plant was built by Bruce Power I believe and is now called the North Battleford Energy Center.
Not sure why more of these can’t be built.
Maybe too sensible in today’s cancel carbon culture ?
It produces a lot of power with a very small environmental footprint.

[furrowtickler]

Correction , Northland Power ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Battleford_Energy_Centre

[SASKFARMER]

Generac® Guardian 18kW 120/240V 1 Phase Air-Cooled Standby Generator, NG/LP, WiFi Enabled

Sold by the home depot in Winterhaven.

This is what I will be putting in down south for hurricanes.

[fjlip]

I think 7500 would be the minimum and I sure wouldn't use a generator... I'd only use an Inverter generator so the delicate electronics in your furnace, fridge, tvs and computers don't get fried...

Agree, electronics need a battery backup to prevent spikes and low voltages. We can only run the furnace and a few lights on 7500 watts. Thankful for LED! Pressure pump, sewer pump and microwave only when furnace is off. Refrigerator and DF maybe with furnace. Doable but tricky. Shite, but N gas better not stop. Only a few 1500 watt heaters would work.

[MBgrower]

Generac® Guardian 18kW 120/240V 1 Phase Air-Cooled Standby Generator, NG/LP, WiFi Enabled

Sold by the home depot in Winterhaven.

This is what I will be putting in down south for hurricanes.

Im leaning towards a generac as well, i like the looks of the 50 kw diesel, but $24K might be too much for one or two days use per year. I may still go the route of a pto generator and have the backup breaker box, lock out switch and plug all wired in the house so all you need to do is pull out the tractor and generator and plug it in. keep it parked in the heated shop in the winter

[fjlip]

Ours cost $2000, insurance but a bare minimum...just need N gas and gasoline. Could have used about 3 times so far in 10 years, non was deadly long.

[burnt]

I got a new standby last year to replace our older 5 KW Winco genset, barely big enough to run the bare essentials - water pump, furnace, freezers, etc. No spare capacity for more than an electric tea kettle.

The new one, a 8.75 KW, has electric start. Love it.

This one will allow one stove top burner if needed, in addition to the usual essentials as above. Still not more than big enough, but better.

I looked it up - a stove top with 4 burners will use up to 5 or 6 KW. The oven will use another 5 KW.

A newer fridge will run on next to nothing. There's a ton of info online to tell you what your usage requirement is. Or if you're lucky like me, you have a couple of sons in the electrical business and they can tell you these things off the top of their head...

We have the generator plug and transfer switch on the pole. Really nifty and a must for safety reasons.

Don't be jimmy rigging a plug in up without a transfer switch or you will end up electrocuting one of those hero linesmen out getting your power back on in a windstorm.

I'm thinking of a 25 KW genset for the rare event when we might have crop in the bins that need aeration. Kinda pricey, but what's a bin of crop worth?

Conversion factor for hp to w: 1 hp(E) = 746 W

Not sure how soft start motors affect the draw.

[blackpowder]

Good topic.
Nearby coal mine done by June so the power plant better not lose gas pressure lol.
Generators. Some maintenance tips.
Mice kill them. Wiring and circuit boards etc. Pee worse than chewing.
Mine due for load banking this summer.
Pre season check. Not too badly wet stacked but has 1500 hours of too low a load.

[helmsdale]

I'm thinking of a 25 KW genset for the rare event when we might have crop in the bins that need aeration. Kinda pricey, but what's a bin of crop worth?

Conversion factor for hp to w: 1 hp(E) = 746 W

Not sure how soft start motors affect the draw.

You'll need a VERY soft starter if its single phase. Neighbor can start a 10hp 3ph with a 75kva. I'm certain you could do 3ph with less.

Granted a 10hp single phase is rather large, but my in rush (LRA) is ~300amps. I'd need a 75kva single phase genset to start it.

I've ran it off 1 14.4KVA generator, but have to hot-swap the electrical connection as fast as i can, with someone else holding the switch on after you get it started off the line.

[blackpowder]

What i had trouble with on 10 hp fans.
On 3 phase 220. The motors required the gen tweaked to put out max correct volt.
Motors slightly undersized for fan.
Any specifics I'm not a electrician.
Just reporting hiccups.

[SASKFARMER]

[LEP]

You'll need a VERY soft starter if its single phase. Neighbor can start a 10hp 3ph with a 75kva. I'm certain you could do 3ph with less.

Granted a 10hp single phase is rather large, but my in rush (LRA) is ~300amps. I'd need a 75kva single phase genset to start it.

I've ran it off 1 14.4KVA generator, but have to hot-swap the electrical connection as fast as i can, with someone else holding the switch on after you get it started off the line.

Really. My 10 hp single phase run on 100 amp breakers I think. I will have to check sometime.

[helmsdale]

Really. My 10 hp single phase run on 100 amp breakers I think. I will have to check sometime.

So does mine... on the line...

But the instantaneous inrush current at startup is 3x that. Doesnt trip the breaker because it's only for an extremely short period of time and quickly drops to ~35amps when running. Generators have no ability to soak up that inrush current.

Even if you direct short a traditional circuit (aside from GFCI) they take a few moments to build the necessary heat to trip.

[Guest]

Well , another night at -37 without power
It’s about to get real folks
Only it won’t be rolling blackouts without the inconvenience of no air conditioning like California or Australia
It will be people freezing to death in their carbon taxed homes
Oh , and toss in a few million electric vehicles getting charged on this overworked undersized outdated grid , yea should be no problem there ? Right comrades ?
The only bright spot is it will be “woke”, “govt will look after me types” , “over fed” pricks that have been bitching about oil, gas, coal that will have made no preparations for the inevitable
Survival of the fittest in a twisted sort of way
Heat isn’t an option here you imbeciles that support that insane tax
Hopefully the supporters will learn

[Robertbarlage]