Power off most of Northeast Sask at -50 windchill , carbon tax ?????

[jazz]

Other ideas?

Since we are intent on going back to the dark ages as a species, might as well break out the old kerosene wick lamps.

[helmsdale]

Since we are intent on going back to the dark ages as a species, might as well break out the old kerosene wick lamps.

I've been threatening to throw a couple old Quaker oil burners into the trash... maybe I'm sitting on something valuable?

[foragefarmer]

Wood is certainly great heat, but does require a lot of work. In order to get good heat hardwoods are the best. Cord of hardwood is in the neighborhood of $350.00 -$400.00, not cheap.

Deadfalls are exactly that, heat factor is not the same as live cut and seasoned.

[Guest]

Can’t remember who was talking about inverters
But my question is on a Isuzu diesel light stand with a5 kv generator , is it safe for electronics ?
How about that pic Sf3 has of a gen set , is it ok ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Since we are intent on going back to the dark ages as a species, might as well break out the old kerosene wick lamps.

Animal furs would be the obvious solution, and if it gets cold enough there's always the three dog night option.
Although, I do suspect that those may not be approved by the woke crowd.

If only there was a way to time travel some of these folks back to the days when the only source of heat was wood, The inhabited world was virtually devoid of trees as a result, Still recovering.
Whale oil was quite popular before fossil fuels. I wonder if the save the whales crowd would support going back to that.

Or we could go back to heating directly by solar energy, no fossil fuels, no wood, no animal skins or animal byproducts, of Course, the habitable zone of the earth would shrink to a few tropical or coastal areas.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It's almost as if chuck's comrades aren't actually looking for workable solutions.

[WiltonRanch]

It's almost as if chuck's comrades aren't actually looking for workable solutions.

They are not. They have no relevance if there is no cause. You can never appease or quell these bastards. Garnering social license is a complete waste.

[burnt]

You'll need a VERY soft starter if its single phase. Neighbor can start a 10hp 3ph with a 75kva. I'm certain you could do 3ph with less.

Granted a 10hp single phase is rather large, but my in rush (LRA) is ~300amps. I'd need a 75kva single phase genset to start it.

I've ran it off 1 14.4KVA generator, but have to hot-swap the electrical connection as fast as i can, with someone else holding the switch on after you get it started off the line.

Asked the oldest electrician son today about how much surge a centrifugal aeration fan takes to start - his rough guess was 5 -7 times the running requirement.

Corrected my earlier post - the replacement genset we got is 8.75 kw. When a tree took the power lines down last fall, that was enough to run the household fairly easily, but not the oven or more than 1 stove top burner when the freezers, furnace fan, water pump, etc. are running. Don't want to run a generator at capacity as that would leave no surge cushion for when something else kicks on.

Another thing to consider is a large fuel tank. This one is 20+ liters and will run for quite a long while, maybe 12 - 14 hours. Depends on the load.

[TSIPP]

Can’t remember who was talking about inverters
But my question is on a Isuzu diesel light stand with a5 kv generator , is it safe for electronics ?
How about that pic Sf3 has of a gen set , is it ok ?

If the generator is putting out the proper voltage and 60 hertz it should be safe for all the circuit boards, SaskPower doesn’t use an inverter, I bought a power meter on amazon and it just plugs into a 120 volt outlet it keeps track of the watts running through it and also the voltage and hertz, cost less than 30 bucks and got it in the mail in three days. It’s a Kuman, seems to be accurate.

I’ve got a few generators out here, it’s kinda a hobby, an 8 cylinder 250 kw, 6 cylinder 80 kw, 4 cylinder 15 kw all diesel and numerous smaller gas generators, I know just enough about electricity to make sparks.

[furrowtickler]

spent most of the morning on a trial run for keeping 3 houses and 2 shops from freezing , so when the big one comes , and it will, we will be ready
a long time Sk. power employee here told me its just a matter of time that we get a long outage , like a week to a month
infrastructure is really in bad shape
anyways things were missed , summer diesel in one gen set, some cords to make
time is precious at these temps , half the neighbours have nothing in place with old houses , poorly insulated
also am gonna order a gas fireplace that runs without power
one day this imbecile will have to explain to a human rights commission how half a province froze to death while he was charging carbon tax till they froze to death
this is absolutely insane for where we live . heat is not a luxury, neither is power or gas
you f u c ki n g wing nuts that support this lunacy should have your gas and power shut off and given a windmill and a chinese solar panel and be told to f u c k right off and make your own little utopian country with no oil , gas , NG, diesel, beef , etc.
and the rest of us can carry on trying to stay alive in this harsh country

Bin Lurking will call all your “likes” as the circle jerk club ...
That’s where society is headed

[RTK]

So this thread got me thinking about those who have been fortunate enough to have the desire to build, create and strive to crave out their own fortune in this world. I believe we realize the importance of reliable sources of energy. We understand the consequences of not having reliable sources of energy - whether it be electricity, Natural Gas, wood or a piece of equipment that has the hp to complete a task.

We realize the importance... so much so that we are discussing ideas to ensure survival in situations where there are short term interruptions or breakdowns to reliable systems or equipment. Fortunate are we who have the means and the ability to navigate these situations.

But maybe more importantly.... Who are those that turn their noses at reliable sources of energy or equipment? Are they the individuals that are homeless or a family barely scraping by? Are the creators and dreamers of a fairy dust and unicorn fart powered eco friendly world the family barely scraping by or are they the ones in a homeless shelter?

Or is it another segment of society that pushes an agenda that defies today’s economic and common sense. Who are these people? I argue they are hypocritical, lack common sense, have an inflated sense of self worth... the enlightened?

Perhaps we owe it to the struggling fringes of society to push back hard against this green energy system to avoid further economic destruction of our society.

If these so called green energy sources prove to be cheap, sustainable and reliable they will succeed as the dominant energy source without legislation. We will all benefit and the creators of these new sources will receive their financial rewards in due course.

[Guest]

Bin Lurking will call all you “likes” as the circle jerk club ...
That’s where society is headed

Shows how outta touch those *** wing nuts are

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If these so called green energy sources prove to be cheap, sustainable and reliable they will succeed as the dominant energy source without legislation. We will all benefit and the creators of these new sources will receive their financial rewards in due course.

Very well said. No one needs to force a better, cheaper, more sustainable, more reliable, energy source onto consumers, they will sell themselves, just like every improvement in energy sources since the beginning of time has done.

[ajl]

Those that have tried to run and aeration fan with a generator, do you cover the fan inlet with a board will starting the motor? Should help reduce the inrush while the motor gets up to speed as it can't pump all the air it wants. Our power is very reliable here but have been thinking about the what if lately as well.

[bobofthenorth]

Can’t remember who was talking about inverters
But my question is on a Isuzu diesel light stand with a5 kv generator , is it safe for electronics ?
How about that pic Sf3 has of a gen set , is it ok ?

I don't know who posted that nonsense about inverter power but the exact opposite is true - you're far better off with generator power than inverter power for sensitive electronics. Square wave form power is what causes electronic problems. Generator power by its nature is pure sine wave. Inverter power is always some form of square wave. The better inverters APPROACH pure sine wave but the only way to achieve a pure sine wave is with a rotating field.. An appropriately sized conventional genset is always your best option unless your primary concern is noise and that only applies to very small output sets.

There's also been some nonsense posted about genset sizing. My 3300 watt set will happily start and run my furnace. I've got a sub panel with the TV, coffee maker, fridge and furnace isolated. After a few days we'd have to figure something out for the deep freeze but we can exist for several days without worry on 2800 watts continuous. If we're running the furnace we won't likely need the deep freeze.