Todays Energy Use

[chuckChuck]

Untill solid state rapid charge batteries are in wide use EVs will be limited for long range in western Canada.

But most personal vehicle trips are short commuter trips that will work well for PHEV or EVs. You wont need a charger at work in other words.

Upgrading the electrical system to handle this load will take some time. But during a cold spell many vehicles are already plugged in for up to 12 hours a day which is a significant amount of electricity use.

The total cost of operating EVs will probably be much lower that ICE vehicles. We have only had EVs and PHEV of any number, for a few years. There will be massive change in this segment in the next decade.

None of us are still driving a Ford Model A are we?

[Robertbarlage]

Alberta 4 how much are you paying to charge your vehicale?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Why do Chuck's solutions always involve some mythical technology that hasn't been invented yet?

Thanks for answering my question AF4, that has been my conclusion too.

[shtferbrains]

Appreciate the chance to chat with actual owner.

If you had 2 vehicles to chose from today and had a 3hr one way trip with return same day do you take the Tesla.

What about the logistcs of heading for say Palm Springs?

[chuckChuck]

Why do Chuck's solutions always involve some mythical technology that hasn't been invented yet?

Thanks for answering my question AF4, that has been my conclusion too.

A5 is this the mythical yet to be invented technology you speak of? Wrong again!

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2020/Toyota-s-game-changing-solid-state-battery-en-route-for-2021-debut https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2020/Toyota-s-game-changing-solid-state-battery-en-route-for-2021-debut

Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2021 debut

Japan's government to join forces with industry to supercharge development
Toyota Motor President Akio Toyoda speaks in front of an image of a concept car during the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. © Reuters
Nikkei staff writersDecember 10, 2020 07:29 JST

TOKYO -- A trip of 500 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in 10 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry.

The technology is a potential cure-all for the drawbacks facing electric vehicles that run on conventional lithium-ion batteries, including the relatively short distance traveled on a single charge as well as charging times. Toyota plans to be the first company to sell an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery in the early 2020s. The world's largest automaker will unveil a prototype next year.

The electric vehicles being developed by Toyota will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle.

Solid-state batteries are expected to become a viable alternative to lithium-ion batteries that use aqueous electrolyte solutions. The innovation would lower the risk of fires, and multiply energy density, which measures the energy a battery can deliver compared to its weight.

It would take roughly 10 minutes to charge an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery, cutting the recharging time by two-thirds. The battery can extend the driving distance of a compact electric vehicle while maintaining legroom.

Toyota stands at the top of the global heap with over 1,000 patents involving solid-state batteries. Nissan Motor plans to develop its own solid-state battery which will power a non-simulation vehicle by 2028.

The shift toward the new battery technology will also have an effect on companies further down the supply chain.

Japanese auto materials makers are rushing to set up the necessary infrastructure to supply automakers. Mitsui Mining and Smelting, commonly known as Mitsui Kinzoku, will start up a pilot facility that will make solid electrolytes for the batteries.

The production site, located at a research and development center in Saitama Prefecture, will be able to produce dozens of tons of solid electrolyte annually staring next year, enough to fulfill orders for prototypes.

Oil company Idemitsu Kosan is installing solid electrolyte production equipment at its Chiba Prefecture site with the aim of beginning operation next year. Manufacturing solid electrolytes requires solidifying sulfides, which is a specialty of the metal and chemical industry. Sumitomo Chemical is developing material as well.

Japanese manufacturers like Sony and Panasonic have been pioneers in commercializing battery cells for vehicles. But since the late 2000s, Chinese rivals have emerged to prominence. Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited, also known as CATL, is now the world's largest supplier of lithium ion batteries. Japan's Asahi Kasei, once the global leader in battery separator material, gave up the crown last year to Shanghai Energy.

Electric vehicles are anticipated to become commonplace amid the global shift away from carbon. The Japanese government has been encouraging the domestic development of solid-state batteries, under the outlook that most of the technology relating to automotive performance will depend on China if the status quo holds.

The government is putting together a fund of about 2 trillion yen ($19.2 billion) that will support decarbonization technology. Policymakers will consider using those funds to provide subsidies of hundreds of billions of yen that will fund the development of the new batteries.

The goal is to support the development of a mass-production infrastructure within Japan. Because solid-state batteries use lithium, an element with limited global reserves, the government will assist in procuring the material.

The rest of the world is following suit. Germany's Volkswagen plans to have production running for solid-state batteries as soon as 2025 via a joint-venture with a U.S. startup.

Chinese tech group QingTao (Kunshan) Energy Development will spend over 1 billion yuan ($153 million) into R&D of solid-state batteries, among other areas. The investment will last for three years starting in 2021.

[tubs]

How is the government going to tax EV. The road tax is one of the main tax collecting areas for them. And we we all know that they addicted to collecting more tax all the time.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Alberta 4 how much are you paying to charge your vehicale?

At home charging is roughly $0.20/kWh all in price. Charging efficiency of 90% so a 0-100% charge would cost about $16.67 for a 75kWh battery (Model 3 long range dual motor). This is the range at 100% charge on the highway (city will always be better, air resistance is your enemy)...

+30 460-470km
+15-20 495km (this is the sweet spot for highway efficiency, warm but not hot)
+5-15 460km
-20 300km
-30 250km

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Appreciate the chance to chat with actual owner.

If you had 2 vehicles to chose from today and had a 3hr one way trip with return same day do you take the Tesla.

What about the logistcs of heading for say Palm Springs?

I always take the Tesla as long as there is fast DC charging. Here is a trip from Calgary to Palm Springs.....



Most people wouldn't do this in one shot and I would simplify this by staying at a hotel with a charger to skip a few stops.

[Guest]

Will that Tesla power your house when grid is down ?
I’m hearing they will ?

[LEP]

At home charging is roughly $0.20/kWh all in price. Charging efficiency of 90% so a 0-100% charge would cost about $16.67 for a 75kWh battery (Model 3 long range dual motor). This is the range at 100% charge on the highway (city will always be better, air resistance is your enemy)...

+30 460-470km
+15-20 495km (this is the sweet spot for highway efficiency, warm but not hot)
+5-15 460km
-20 300km
-30 250km

In 2016 we went to a Tesla dealership in Seattle. Sat in a Tesla and got the sales pitch. I believe they said that included in the price of a new car was one charging station. Tesla would use the money to expand the network in North America. Of course in Saskatchewan they were few and far between then. They said if you paid for a charging station you could charge your car on the network for free for life.

Not sure I would want to stop at Peavey Mart for a free charge everytime I went to Saskatoon. I know now 5 years later that there is a much more developed charging network but it still has a way to go.

I wonder if in the future people will drive out to their grain bin yard and find someone plugged into their panel plug stealing electricity?