Herd Immunity?

[dmlfarmer]

60% in India have antibodies, herd immunity. Few cases in Africa. Not as clean or sanitized, works better.

I really hope you are right but I would not bet on it.

The 60% claim was based on a sample of 28,000 serum tests in New Delhi. New Delhi metro area has a population of about 24 million people. And country wide India has 1.3 billion people. So that is a pretty small sample size to make a claim of herd immunity. No question there are areas in India which had very high infection rates but testing only those areas for antibodies does not mean herd immunity can be declared for the country. Phase three testing did last month found only 20-25% of those tested carried antibodies.

Second, the same claim was made about Manaus Brazil last summer. Extremely hard hit, with many deaths per day. But by fall the number of cases and deaths were falling and antibody testing showed 59% so herd immunity was declared. But cases spiked in December and January again due to new variants.

And many of you declared Sweden had achieved herd immunity last spring when they did not lock down yet they went through the same increase in Covid this fall as countries that did lock down and in fact had to lock down themselves.

And a number of posters claimed Covid would be over last fall in the US. That the death rate at 150,000 had topped out and there would be no more deaths. Yet here we are in February with deaths reaching 500,000 now.

And while you rejoice in a 70% drop in cases and deaths in the US, the actual case numbers are still higher than it was at its peak in the first wave last spring. Perhaps the falling numbers are simply reflective of people taking more precautions, more wearing masks, and vaccines as much as herd immunity.

https://chinamedicals.org/2021/02/02/india-archieved-herd-immunity-after-60-covid-19-infected/ https://chinamedicals.org/2021/02/02/india-archieved-herd-immunity-after-60-covid-19-infected/

https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/fighting-covid-19-in-conversation-with-dr-randeep-guleria/covid-cases-in-india-herd-immunity-in-india-is-a-myth-says-aiims-director-dr-randeep-guleria-576466 https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/fighting-covid-19-in-conversation-with-dr-randeep-guleria/covid-cases-in-india-herd-immunity-in-india-is-a-myth-says-aiims-director-dr-randeep-guleria-576466

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56037565 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56037565

[fjlip]

Use the headline...way scarier

"Brain-swelling Nipah virus 75 times more deadly than coronavirus may be next pandemic, scientists warn of ‘The Big One’"

[Jordy2323]

And while you rejoice in a 70% drop in cases and deaths in the US, the actual case numbers are still higher than it was at its peak in the first wave last spring. Perhaps the falling numbers are simply reflective of people taking more precautions, more wearing masks, and vaccines as much as herd immunity.

Less than 6% of the US have received two doses of the vaccine... so I doubt its that.
States without mask mandates are equal to, or better then mandated states... so I doubt its that.
Maybe its simply reflective of the seasonality of viruses... and/or herd immunity, that no politician wants to acknowledge.

[shtferbrains]

Seems some have had enough and are ready for it to be over and some are willing to go on forever.

I can't figure out what it will take to be declared over.

Won't ever be normal and the hurt hasn't even began to show.
That will go on for years.

[WiltonRanch]

I’m not a denier that this virus is bad enough but am sick of the media and govts constant assault on our senses with brainless messaging and overused code words; “new normal” “we’re in this together” “unprecedented times” “cohorts” “bubbles” fml. The same Dudley Do Rights and sheeple feed into this horseshit and fall for it all. I’m a fairly balanced open minded person and don’t jump to conclusions either way but I’m starting to smell a rat and it’s spreading more bs than plague.

[jazz]

Here is how the spanish flu played out with no vaccines, no drugs, no govt intervention no shutting down the economy and very little medical care available to the general population. The population was advised to be cautious and they carried on. World was even fighting a war just before it.

It was blunted within a yr. and any subsequent waves were a fraction of the original outbreak which coincided with the middle of winter.

[jazz]

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-dont-prevent-coronavirus-spread/ Lockdowns Don’t Prevent Coronavirus Spread

[burnt]

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-dont-prevent-coronavirus-spread/ Lockdowns Don’t Prevent Coronavirus Spread

Denmark: 7 municipalities in extreme lock down, 4 did not lockdown -

"Treating the two groups as stand-alone units, Planeta Keep and Bjørnskov write that

“[W]e find no statistically significant differences between the two groups of municipalities prior to intervention. The strong similarity in infection rates at different timescales before the intervention strongly supports treating the lockdown as an actual quasi-natural experiment.”"

And far worse than a failed experiment, this lockdown BS has been a catastrophic experiment, wiping out billions in value , production and net worth, especially for those most vulnerable in society.

Trudeau, Ford, Pallister, Kenney, Horgan, etc., should be beaten by angry mothers, pelted in the stocks with eggs, rotten tomatoes and fresh horse buns and cow piss, tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

[farming101]

"What the new study from Northern Jutland shows is that an extreme form of lockdown didn’t work in one of the most law-abiding societies in the world. Why, then, should we expect lockdowns to be effective anywhere else?"

The last line in the article is copied above.

I'm wondering what might be expected in a society where a lot of people don't obey the law....the article did not seem to deal with that complication

[burnt]

"Four Stylized Facts about COVID-19"

Abstract:
https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719 https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719

Paper:

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27719/w27719.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27719/w27719.pdf

"5 Conclusion
....
The existing literature has concluded that NPI policy and social distancing have been essential to reducing the spread of COVID-19 and the number of deaths due to this deadly pandemic. The stylized facts established in this paper challenge this conclusion.
...."

So from the paper above, it appears that by the time the governments reacted to the so-called "pandemic" - IT WAS ALL BUT OVER.

Little positive impact from any government action, and far more harm than good.

Get this info into your head and pressure government to stop the madness.

[burnt]

I really hope you are right but I would not bet on it.



https://chinamedicals.org/2021/02/02/india-archieved-herd-immunity-after-60-covid-19-infected/ https://chinamedicals.org/2021/02/02/india-archieved-herd-immunity-after-60-covid-19-infected/

https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/fighting-covid-19-in-conversation-with-dr-randeep-guleria/covid-cases-in-india-herd-immunity-in-india-is-a-myth-says-aiims-director-dr-randeep-guleria-576466 https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/fighting-covid-19-in-conversation-with-dr-randeep-guleria/covid-cases-in-india-herd-immunity-in-india-is-a-myth-says-aiims-director-dr-randeep-guleria-576466

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56037565 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56037565

Did you actually read the articles you supplied?

"China Medicals"

Really.

[shtferbrains]

The question is when is it accepted to be all but over?
Do we have to wait for all indicators to be zero before MSM moves on.

If BSE is any indicator it basicly took till no one was reading are watching any new reports before it finally fizzled out.
In that case they finely stopped watching when it became clear there was no effect on the population but CFIA kept kicking the can for years to protect the empire they had built to satisfying the demand for more oversight

[burnt]

The question is when is it accepted to be all but over?
Do we have to wait for all indicators to be zero before MSM moves on.

If BSE is any indicator it basicly took till no one was reading are watching any new reports before it finally fizzled out.
In that case they finely stopped watching when it became clear there was no effect on the population but CFIA kept kicking the can for years to protect the empire they had built to satisfying the demand for more oversight

I find that to be the disturbing issue - what is the target?

It has never been determined or stated.

We know that it will never be zero - it's endemic.

A totalitarian-minded ruler's dream.

[oldguy48]

One topic that a lot of people have not discussed is how we can all improve our diet and health so that our bodies can naturally fight any virus, bacteria, disease that we come in contact with. Along with improving our diet & lifestyle there are known supplements, medicines we can use that have been proven successful in the last year. In Canada I wonder how much money was offered by the WHO to promote the fear, etc , but then again with our Prime Minister, one wonders if that is where some of our money is going. The Belarus President claims he was offered $940 Million by the IMF & World Bank to promote the Covid restrictions and agenda including masks, police state & to crash the economy that we are seeing in many parts of the world but he refused. A High Five to him. Somebody with common sense and a concern for his country's well being.

[fjlip]

One topic that a lot of people have not discussed is how we can all improve our diet and health so that our bodies can naturally fight any virus, bacteria, disease that we come in contact with. Along with improving our diet & lifestyle there are known supplements, medicines we can use that have been proven successful in the last year. In Canada I wonder how much money was offered by the WHO to promote the fear, etc , but then again with our Prime Minister, one wonders if that is where some of our money is going. The Belarus President claims he was offered $940 Million by the IMF & World Bank to promote the Covid restrictions and agenda including masks, police state & to crash the economy that we are seeing in many parts of the world but he refused. A High Five to him. Somebody with common sense and a concern for his country's well being.

Hardly a peep in MSM about healthy resistance...should be 24X7 to all TERRIFIED sheep.