Texas trouble

[jazz]

You can read about the nearly identical storm in 2011.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/us/05storm.html

Did TX have their facilities winterized back then and just stopped doing it?

What changed in the past decade? Oh I know, lets convert more of our electrical grid to intermittency cause climate change and try to heat homes with it.

Let me explain how a gas system works. Sask just went through 2 weeks of polar vortex with night time temps in the -45 range and windchills over that. Nobody lost gas, nobody had to turn their heat down. Why? Do you think they go to the well heads and turn them up when that happens? No, Because you store gas in caverns in the summer and draw it down in the dead of winters.

Its called energy storage. I cant believe some people still cant grasp this simple concept.

[burnt]

sf3 - let’s do a stress test and see who would survive if we cut the power to a city for a month during the cold snap and to the surrounding farms as well.

Hmmm... I have about 3000 gal of propane on hand, a stock pile of wood, an inverter (2x); and two generators. Could maybe get a large pto one running that grandpa had with some guidance from the electrician. If that is the case i should maybe get some more winter fuel on hand as i only have 750 gal at the moment.

Probably could get the old fuel furnace running that is in an old shed. But i have at least 6 small portable heating units that run on varying forms of energy. Oh yeah i forgot i have two frost fighter heaters - fuel and propane.

No solar panels, no windmills, no unicorns to provide fart power, no fairy dust.... I guess i am screwed. Latte drinking sjw for the win. I can admit defeat...

But... With the near by creek and my trackhoe perhaps this summer there could be some other options for seasonal power generation on a small level if this situation was permanent... Maybe just maybe if i can survive the month of -40 weather somehow in the root cellar with a candle i can be the come back kid and take the win.

rtk - FTW!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'll repeat what I posted for Chuck in the previous thread, because I don't think this simple explanation can be improved upon to explain why their infrastructure ( of all types) wasn't prepared for cold. Maybe he will respond this time.

Can you think of any reason why any region of the globe would be finding themselves unprepared for record cold temperatures, and unseasonable winter conditions?
Is there any theory that has been widely touted in recent decades that would make everyone complacent that these types of events are not going to occur now or into the future?
In fact, can you think of any widely held "beliefs" that might have caused most to be preparing for the exact opposite phenomenon?
Do you think if those who subscribed to this new theory had studied weather history, instead of wasting all of their resources and attention creating and relying on future climate models, they might have thought it prudent to prepare for weather such as this?

At some point, beliefs have to be tested against reality. That just occured for many, too early to know if the lessons will be learned.

[tweety]

Bullshite, texas has under ground caverns just like we do in the event of supply being disrupted. With caverns and the line pack storage a place like Sask can go 3 days in the middle of winter without any new gas into the system.

The gas supply went down immediately as soon as the storm hit. Where was the line pack? Where was the cavern storage? The compressors went off line because of electricity rationing which was caused by 25% of the grid being run by renewables. The same storm hit in 2011 when renewables were only 10% of the grid and nothing happened then.

You need to wake the f up tweety and get some real world experience in something.

Maybe stop reading the Proud Boys newsletters and step into the real world. You just dig deeper and deeper in the well of ignorance.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-texas-cold https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-texas-cold

[dmlfarmer]

"...The state’s grid operator said Feb. 15 that about 34 gigawatts of power were offline. But of that, about 4 gigawatts was due to problems with wind turbines. The rest came mainly from the state’s primary sources, natural gas and coal.

Dan Woodfin, a senior director for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, told Bloomberg that frozen gauges and instruments at natural gas, coal and nuclear plants cut into operations. Natural gas-fired plants also had to deal with low gas pressure in their supply lines..."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/feb/16/natural-gas-not-wind-turbines-main-driver-texas-po/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/feb/16/natural-gas-not-wind-turbines-main-driver-texas-po/

"...The systems that get gas from the earth aren’t properly built for cold weather. Operators in West Texas’ Permian Basin, one of the most productive oil fields in the world, are particularly struggling to bring natural gas to the surface, analysts said, as cold weather and snow close wells or cause power outages that prevent pumping the fossil fuels from the ground.

“Gathering lines freeze, and the wells get so cold that they can’t produce,” said Parker Fawcett, a natural gas analyst for S&P Global Platts. “And pumps use electricity, so they’re not even able to lift that gas and liquid, because there’s no power to produce.”

Texas does not have as much storage capacity as other states, experts said, because the resource-laden state can easily pull it from the ground when it’s needed — usually..."

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/natural-gas-power-storm/ https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/natural-gas-power-storm/

[fjlip]

Once again, Do you Green Sh*t f*ckers want it COLDER??????? Would a degree or two TOO HOT cause $$BILLIONS in damage????? The cause IS all the Climate Scaremongers screaming END of planet by C02! Those are to blame. Sad and such a costly shame. THEY should pay.
Then this SOB says... https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/john-kerry-blames-frigid-temperatures-record-cold-global-warming-says-9-years-left-save-planet-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/john-kerry-blames-frigid-temperatures-record-cold-global-warming-says-9-years-left-save-planet-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

[mcfarms]

Maybe stop reading the Proud Boys newsletters and step into the real world. You just dig deeper and deeper in the well of ignorance.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-texas-cold https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-texas-cold

Yah stop reading all those awlful right wing media sources like


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-20/a-giant-flaw-in-texas-blackouts-it-cut-power-to-gas-supplies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-20/a-giant-flaw-in-texas-blackouts-it-cut-power-to-gas-supplies

[6V53]

SF3 - let’s do a stress test and see who would survive if we cut the power to a city for a month during the cold snap and to the surrounding farms as well.

Hmmm... I have about 3000 gal of propane on hand, a stock pile of wood, an inverter (2x); and two generators. Could maybe get a large pto one running that grandpa had with some guidance from the electrician. If that is the case I should maybe get some more winter fuel on hand as I only have 750 gal at the moment.

Probably could get the old fuel furnace running that is in an old shed. But I have at least 6 small portable heating units that run on varying forms of energy. Oh yeah I forgot I have two frost fighter heaters - fuel and propane.

No solar panels, no windmills, no unicorns to provide fart power, no fairy dust.... I guess I am screwed. Latte drinking SJW for the win. I can admit defeat...

But... with the near by creek and my trackhoe perhaps this summer there could be some other options for seasonal power generation on a small level if this situation was permanent... Maybe just maybe if I can survive the month of -40 weather somehow in the root cellar with a candle I can be the come back kid and take the win.

So what's your plan for when Chuck and a bunch of Zombies start scratching at your door knob ?

PS: The boiling point of propane is -42 C.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So what's your plan for when Chuck and a bunch of Zombies start scratching at your door knob?

Assuming that the Chucks of the world practice what they preach ( literally in his case), they will have long since given up their arms and forfeited their right to bear arms, so scratching will be about the extent of the damage they can inflict.
They will be the least of the problems that a well armed farmstead has to deal with.

[tweety]

Would a degree or two TOO HOT cause $$BILLIONS in damage?????

Yes.

2 things you still don't understand.

1. The difference between Climate and Weather.

2. How changing climate affects the magnitude of swings of the weather.

Texas is just another example. None of this is scare mongering, perhaps you are just too scared to want to understand the science.

Not too late to leave that well Jazz keeps digging deeper.