Farmers in Canada will get no Credit for what they did to help the climate up to 2017

[Sheepwheat]

Drain every waterhole, push every tree, clear out every old yard, and then expect people to think we are good stewards of the land?

It’s in the mirror. Again.

[TASFarms]

One of the reasons farmers don't have more traction on this issue is that a large percentage of them dismiss climate change as an issue and deny the overwhelming scientific evidence.

It's very hard to be taken seriously when on one hand you argue increasing CO2 is good for the planet and human caused climate is not a problem. And then argue that farmers should be paid well for storing carbon for a non existent problem.

So good luck trying to find advocates to support the idea that farmers should be paid significantly more for carbon credits when you don't agree there is a problem.

It’s a scam by design. There is no science needed. It’s a wealth transfer scam. Why does this have to be debated. Paying people for sequestered carbon is part of the scam. If they aren’t paying they are just scamming more.

[chuckChuck]

A5 mentioned it yesterday and I will bring it up again.

Adding carbon to soils is a long process. Especially with annual crops. At some point the soil goes into equilibrium and as much carbon is released by decomposition as is captured.

Soil organic matter is proxy for carbon. Since direct seeding leaves most of the residues on the surface where is all the carbon from the residues going?

Grazing lands can speed up and enhance the process of storing carbon.

How long does it take to get back to pre agricultural levels of soil organic matter?

And of course this all varies with the soil type, climate and management.

The other factor that will be looked at will be farmers management of wetlands and non arable areas which store a lot of carbon.

So good luck measuring and quantifying carbon credits. One size does not fit all.

[bucket]

A5 mentioned it yesterday and I will bring it up again.

Adding carbon to soils is a long process. Especially with annual crops. At some point the soil goes into equilibrium and as much carbon is released by decomposition as is captured.

Soil organic matter is proxy for carbon. Since direct seeding leaves most of the residues on the surface where is all the carbon from the residues going?

Grazing lands can speed up and enhance the process of storing carbon.

How long does it take to get back to pre agricultural levels of soil organic matter?

And of course this all varies with the soil type, climate and management.

The other factor that will be looked at will be farmers management of wetlands and non arable areas which store a lot of carbon.

So good luck measuring and quantifying carbon credits. One size does not fit all.

But the science you believe has figured all the sequestering out already.

My guess is they can calculate the amount each crop will sequester every year.

Just like they have figured the emissions from a litre of fuel.


Science...you believe right?

[HITTGrapevine]

Science aside, its a stupid idea period to put a tax on food production, especially when every expert in the world a few years ago was crying about how are we going to feed the planet.
Feed the planet by increasing production costs? I suppose that makes a lot of sense if you smoke enough weed
But the sock puppet's tax is already in place and no government (Conservative, Liberal or NDP) is ever going to change that. It's a new tax source with no accounting system to back it up, exactly what every government wants and needs. And it makes sockface look like an environmental crusader to all of his buddies at the UN.
Oh, how silly of me, I forgot the carbon tax is revenue neutral

[HITTGrapevine]

Another good reason to buy farmland in Ukraine or Kazikstan. I wonder how much farmers there are paying for carbon.

[SASKFARMER]

Chuck again your off the mark. But the reality is your mad because a farmer like you will get less than me if this is in place.

Come on we all know your angle bigger is bad.

I will burn every acre this fall you will see the smoke when skippy is flying over and ill print **** you, Trudeau.

Climate change by Carbon is a Scam, Chuck.

We have liberals pushing it because follow the money and check where the support they get comes from.

Follow the money.

if all the land in Saskatchewan was owned by a liberal guess what we would be getting 100 an acre for every acre.

[Robertbarlage]

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We're already paying for emissions AF5, either directly through carbon taxes or indirectly, through costs downloaded to us by fertilizer manufacturers, equipment makers, railway companies that will be charging more to move our grain, etc, etc.
Costs to farmers have already been established. Potential revenues is the other side of the ledger.
Not saying I like the system. Just trying to find a way to make the best of the mess we're already in.

We certainly are already paying emissions taxes in all sorts of ways, but that doesn't mean we can't be taxed in many more new and creative ways if we buy into the scam by demanding payment for no-till.
There is a lot of talk about how much emissions come from fertilizer application, and methane from cattle those two alone could dwarf any potential income from no-till sequestration. Then we could get to pay for the soil carbon released when we take out a tree or improve a slough, or take out perennials, our fuel exemption could go away.
Be careful what you ask for.

[chuckChuck]

SF, just try to explain how carbon emissions don't cause climate change, but you still want to be paid well for capturing carbon? What do you think the reason is for paying carbon credits to farmers?

[jazz]

Be careful what you ask for.

That is exactly why whatever program ever comes into existence, needs to be privately run, so we get some of the grift without the regulation.

Maybe Input capital can become our carbon aggregator.

But seriously, all we need is some sort of privately structured company to get these credits amalgamated and onto an exchange. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet.

By all accounts even carbon saturated soil recycles 500 lbs back in every yr. So at $50 a ton Federal pricing, thats $12 an acre. Good place to start. And if farmers want to goose that they could be restoring wetlands or shelter belts or putting in a fall cover crop on some land.

Selling the illusion is a big thing these days and after this past yr, it should be a slam dunk to get people on board to pay for it.

[bucket]

Jazz

There is no link between the price of pollution aka the carbon tax that the government arbitrarily sets and the price of sequestering.

Government set carbon tax.
Market price for sequestering.

in other words a royal phucking.