Farmers in Canada will get no Credit for what they did to help the climate up to 2017

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All good points. But don't underestimate the future value of offsets. They might only be generating $1 an acre of farm revenue now, but my understanding is that in some cases, they are being sold to large emitters in the US for 15 or 20 times that. What will they be worth when Canada's carbon tax quadruples in 10 years?

What they are might sell for, and what they are actually worth are two completely unrelated things.
At some point science will prevail and we will accept that there is no "cost" to CO2, that it belongs in fact on the opposite side of the ledger sheet.
But until that time, if we demand payment for the CO2 supposedly sequestered, we also open ourselves up to paying for all the emissions too. From fertilizer, from livestock, from exempted farm fuel, from land improvements. We will all look as hypocritical as Chuck when we start crying about paying emissions taxes on everything else after demanding to be paid for CO2 sequestration on long term no till ground that isn't sequestering anything anymore.

[HITTGrapevine]

What they are might sell for, and what they are actually worth are two completely unrelated things.
At some point science will prevail and we will accept that there is no "cost" to CO2, that it belongs in fact on the opposite side of the ledger sheet.
But until that time, if we demand payment for the CO2 supposedly sequestered, we also open ourselves up to paying for all the emissions too. From fertilizer, from livestock, from exempted farm fuel, from land improvements. We will all look as hypocritical as Chuck when we start crying about paying emissions taxes on everything else after demanding to be paid for CO2 sequestration on long term no till ground that isn't sequestering anything anymore.

We're already paying for emissions AF5, either directly through carbon taxes or indirectly, through costs downloaded to us by fertilizer manufacturers, equipment makers, railway companies that will be charging more to move our grain, etc, etc.
Costs to farmers have already been established. Potential revenues is the other side of the ledger.
Not saying I like the system. Just trying to find a way to make the best of the mess we're already in.

[blackpowder]

It's always been about taxing who you dont like (easy marks), and giving it to whom you do like (votes).
Where do you think you fit?
Isn't this carbon thingy handy?

[jazz]

We're already paying for emissions AF5, either directly through carbon taxes or indirectly, through costs downloaded to us by fertilizer manufacturers, equipment makers, railway companies that will be charging more to move our grain, etc, etc.
Costs to farmers have already been established. Potential revenues is the other side of the ledger.
Not saying I like the system. Just trying to find a way to make the best of the mess we're already in.

Well the consumers are going to feel it this year too. Lets see how gung ho they are on climate change after cost of living doubles. They voted for it.

Hell if we arent going to get compensated for any of this and only penalized maybe you will see chem fallow take over again one day. I certainly could survive on 60% of the yeilds. Why grow more to be penalized? We cant get anymore efficient in this game so why try.

Like horse says, why should we care about feeding the world? Maybe our motto should be Ag Less Than ever (sorry about the starving)

[dalek]

I likely won’t be getting credit for anything I do after 2017 or even after 2021 either because it’s not likely worth the pain in the ass of getting involved with the government any farther than I already have to be

[burnt]

What they are might sell for, and what they are actually worth are two completely unrelated things.
At some point science will prevail and we will accept that there is no "cost" to CO2, that it belongs in fact on the opposite side of the ledger sheet.
But until that time, if we demand payment for the CO2 supposedly sequestered, we also open ourselves up to paying for all the emissions too. From fertilizer, from livestock, from exempted farm fuel, from land improvements. We will all look as hypocritical as Chuck when we start crying about paying emissions taxes on everything else after demanding to be paid for CO2 sequestration on long term no till ground that isn't sequestering anything anymore.

"So what you're saying is" (cue Cathy Newman) that it's a game of charades for us and a money maker for them.

As usual, we supply the goods and services on the farm and the money is made in the city after it leaves the farm.

Like you can buy a coffee in your local greasy spoon for your trouble whilst the Big People live on caviar and champagne in St. Barts.

Might just be me being me, by I refuse to pimp myself out for someone else's pleasure.

[LWeber]

[/B] There's a 17.2 yr drought cycle we are walking into and now we are getting one hand tied behind our back, think '88. Save the ct, i won't be treating moisture as a given.

This drought is real and will be the real killer ....the silent end farm game called CT has left the barn and there are too many faceless entities that won't round it up and get it back - that is longer term and it will be lost in the short term drought induced peril.

Despite that, it will be an oligarch in Russia as he is playing farm poker with as many decks of aces as he needs to win.

Bucket, Blackpowder and WesternVicki have been saying it all along - farmers have zero voice and it gets worse and worse every year.

For the amount of checkoff dollars collected every year, the farm voice is pathetic.

[Old Cowzilla]

Took a D8 two full days to level a sand bank ( stored carbon ) that was made a 100 years ago on the property line. Don't think anybody wants to go back to that way of farming and the world couldn't handle that either profit or food production wise.

[SASKFARMER]

Alberta and chuck you two are hilarious.

They already pay farmers in Iowa 67 Canadian a acre for carbon capture by farmers for Cargill.

Your dollar a acre is insane.

Chuck I wanted better land less fuel and a simpler way and yea carbon credits when a idiot like your buddy Trudeau rode into town on his unicorn.

Why can’t farmers ever get paid for what they do?

Simple question chuck and Alberta and horse kiss my ass

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Alberta and chuck you two are hilarious.

They already pay farmers in Iowa 67 Canadian a acre for carbon capture by farmers for Cargill.

Your dollar a acre is insane.

Chuck I wanted better land less fuel and a simpler way and yea carbon credits when a idiot like your buddy Trudeau rode into town on his unicorn.

Why can’t farmers ever get paid for what they do?

Simple question chuck and Alberta and horse kiss my ass

$1 an acre may be insane, but that is what it works out to in my pocket with the Alberta program which is coming to an end. A lot of other pockets being filled in between I'm sure.

Thats the reality, not my opinion.

I'm not quite certain what you are disagreeing with me about. Do you really think anyone is doing no till the save the world from having slightly elevated levels of beneficial plant food, also known as CO2? It's an economic decision, and the credits would have to be massive to convince anyone to convert to no till whose isn't already.

I'll happily cash the cheque for $67/acre for doing exactly nothing different than I do now, if it is available.

[Horse]

Been doing a little reading on carbon sequestration,seems there are as many differing opinions on no till as there are on climate change. Not many agree except for erosion control, moisture retention ,more carbon on surface less at deeper zones , some soils work better than others. The debate will go on forever as no one will concede others have valid opinions also.
To sask When my life is over and my time has come to pass I wish to be buried upside down so the world may kiss my ass.

[SASKFARMER]

Oh so creative Horse to bad your posts weren’t better.

Alberta i was just saying we have been at this game almost 40 years and deep down I knew Trudeau would **** this up also.

A dollar a acre isn’t worth my time.

One thing I know if all the land in Saskatchewan was owned by slimy liberals we would be getting the $67 an acre.

I will burn every field black this fall or work them just to prove a point. It’s a joke.

Then cry like a liberal I found the light pay me please.

[blackpowder]

Someone needs a Snickers.
A buck an acre is well worth the zero time it takes me.
However, I agree that as an industry we aren't getting a cent from the false economy.

[bucket]

I wonder when Ralph will get some more opinion space on his ideas on this...

Don't think he mentioned paying farmers for their sequestration efforts in his last WP musings.

[SASKFARMER]

Boys all I am saying we are the only industry that does so much for the environment and yet were shit on by Ottawa. Do you think SNC Javelin is doing anything on Carbon. No. But i bet if you check they will get more than all the farmers in Canada.

Come on all I'm trying to show is farmers got ****ed on this file for being innovators. We are taken advantage of because of the comments above.

A dollar an acre is a ****ing joke. PERIOD.

When a grain company we sell to in Canada makes deals with USA farmers for the same thing we do here and we are offered a dollar an acre and they get $67. But the leftists think it's all about stopping larger farms from getting more than them.

Our industry is dead with stupid ideas and comments like above.