Farmers in Canada will get no Credit for what they did to help the climate up to 2017

[foragefarmer]

Growing perennial forages for the past 30 years, is what's best for our land and our income. Also have a couple hundred acres of heavy bush left that won't be touched.

Not expecting anything from the government in any shape or form regarding carbon tax refund based on our farming practices.

The less the government involvement the better, just more paperwork with little to no reward. Seems at this point are farming situation is favourable.

[blackpowder]

I agree Forage.
But without a framework to guard against opposing self serving politics it will affect us all eventually.
You sell a niche product to a niche market. Enviable and secure. For now....
But you are no more impregnable from the woke than anyone else.

[Sheepwheat]

Good suggestion.
How much will farmers in Brazil be paying to knock down trees in the rainforest?
Just curious. After all, this is a global problem, right?

I’d be happy if they gave me free moose and elk tags for preserving nature. Lol

[Sheepwheat]

Growing perennial forages for the past 30 years, is what's best for our land and our income. Also have a couple hundred acres of heavy bush left that won't be touched.

Not expecting anything from the government in any shape or form regarding carbon tax refund based on our farming practices.

The less the government involvement the better, just more paperwork with little to no reward. Seems at this point are farming situation is favourable.

I’ve started trying out some regenerative principles. Perennial blends, high animal impact, importing nutrients (hay and waste), etc.One thing I should do is some wholesale soil testing to see where it takes me.

I read once, and sort of theorized as well, that the soil in our area got deep and black, in part because the bison came here to the forest fringe to winter in the sheltered poplar stands, in the tall rough fescue parkland. So there was a high animal impact, high forage production, lots of snow, and good rainfall to promote it all. Found that to be an interesting theory. I always thought it made sense. Congest millions of bison on smaller acreage, the winter trampling and waste would certainly show up over time... When winter was over they spread back out into the open plains, travelling around, so not concentrated, and so the soil building was less intense.

[SASKFARMER]

Most of us get what's coming and were scared shitless. Trudeau and common sense don't work well together. Team diversity is like having the dumbest person you went to university with and that was a Christmas graduate is not in charge of top gov departments.

[Guest]

https://www.morningagclips.com/forecasting-co2-impact-on-crops/

[blackpowder]

Well, guess I mayswell pack it in right now. Thank you Bin.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Well, guess I mayswell pack it in right now. Thank you Bin.

That is Chuck's favourite kind of study. In spite of the observed results being all positive, they spin it as negative because the "models" show temperatures will rise and negate all the observed benefits.

Oh, and they discovered that if you starve a plant of some nutrients and provide excess of other inputs, you don't get the full benefit of the ones in excess. I think we have a ready made solution to that non problem.

[blackpowder]

Carbon credits are another sham to cover up the real problem, sure I’d like the money but I would prefer it was spent actually helping make the world a better place for future generations.

What a fascinating concept. A fee on consumption that directly enables new technology. Sorry for my sarcasm. Spent the afternoon looking for Canadian companies making real dollars in ev tech.

[GDR]

Why is everything we do in western Canada shit on by useless Ottawa.

Why is the basic question. I know the answer is because we have no liberals who could make money off the land so why would the federal liberals give money to farmers who have direct seeded for 37 years.

Bring out the cultivators and rip the shit out of it all because that Mr farmer is the only way they will help you.

It's ****ing useless like the Carbon tax and everything they do.

So small farmers who are still using old tec might get a loan or subsidy to go Direct seeding and buy into the Carbon Credit Scam.

Regular farmers that were ahead of the curb to save the planet will get shit on.

It's all about punishing one group and get back to the poor section farmer with the barn and free-range chickens and pigs and barefoot and pregnant wife.

Draft regulations for Canada’s new carbon market show Canadian farmers won’t receive credit for removing any greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) from the atmosphere prior to 2017.

Under the proposals released Friday, producers won’t be getting any credit for being zero-till, or having perennial forage coverage — particularly if those efforts were completed prior to 2017.

Projects started prior to the beginning of 2017 won’t be eligible for carbon credits under the federal program, because federal officials want to see additional efforts taken to reduce emissions.

So where were our Farm Groups or was it just the NFU and a few farmers like Chuck advising these ****ing idiots.

Why cant anything ever work for real farmers in Canada.

The shit show continues.

Not trying to be a jerk here, just asking since you started the thread. In past posts it appears you blacken your stubble with your Kelly harrow before seeding so do you really consider yourself no-till? I completely understand what and why you are doing it and realize it's somewhat better than 3 or 4 conventional passes but once the roots are exposed to environment they decay faster, I think it's a stretch to consider that a real carbon sink.

To me no-till is a disc opener drill being the first pass after the combine. Doesn't work well on most fields here so I dont want to be painted into a corner where that is what is expected of me just because it may work in other areas.

[Hamloc]

Growing perennial forages for the past 30 years, is what's best for our land and our income. Also have a couple hundred acres of heavy bush left that won't be touched.

Not expecting anything from the government in any shape or form regarding carbon tax refund based on our farming practices.

The less the government involvement the better, just more paperwork with little to no reward. Seems at this point are farming situation is favourable.

“The government involvement the better”, you hit the nail on the head I agree 100%. But I am curious what is the market for your perennial forages? Are you concerned governments and industrial food processors are working to end production of meat? As a beef farmer who enjoys raising and eating beef this certainly concerns me.

As for carbon credits, really a no win situation. The Liberal carbon tax as designed makes zero sense to me. Nothing more than an income transfer from rural Canada where there are few votes to vote rich urban Canada. If I lived in the city in an apartment and didn’t own a car I would think it was great. On the farm a carbon credit program just increases scrutiny that in the end will cost not benefit. My goal is to only go into debt for appreciable assets and try to keep my costs as low as possible.

[furrowtickler]

So why is Manitoba hydro nearly broke , yet Quebec Hydro is well off ??
Maybe because Quebec Hydro sells fake pieces of paper to California. Which at the end of the day does zero for actual carbon emissions.
One party sells fake paper credits to another to continue to pollute .
Great system

[SASKFARMER]

Plants take Co2 out of the air and put it in the ground, don't they? We are low emitters vs the cites. So bigger thicker crops would actually do more good for Canada.

Soil organic carbon levels have been rising in many parts of the Prairies by 35 kilograms per acre per year, which is significant when taking the size of the region.

The increase in soil organic carbon accounts for 11 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per year in Canada, which reduces Canada’s net greenhouse gas emissions by 1.5 percent.

The benefit is reduced to 7.4 million tonnes of CO2 when the carbon emitted from the creation of new cropland is considered, which brings Canada’s net greenhouse gas emissions down only one percent.

But then Farmers are doing more than their fair share. But in shit hole Canada we get penalized. All are supposed to be like Chuck hunker down in our basements resenting all your neighbors that they have grown in size and you have stayed the same.

[bucket]

If the price on emissions is justified,,,,,then it only makes sense to have a price on sequestering that correlates to the price on pollution.

If we were actually talking about the environment ...but we are not ...we are talking about wealth redistribution.

[SASKFARMER]

Liberals want to always show the bad farmers do and never the good. It's that ****ing simple.

Liberals are the problem.