Farmers in Canada will get no Credit for what they did to help the climate up to 2017

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 how do you propose that farmers in Canada compete with jurisdictions like Russia, Brazil and the U.S. where there is no carbon tax and one is not proposed?! In the U.S. there is no proposed carbon tax but farmers can collect carbon credits. How do you square this circle?!

Chuck2 in the U.S. they are using the carrot approach in Canada they are using the stick approach which do you think will be more successful?!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck2 in the U.S. they are using the carrot approach in Canada they are using the stick approach which do you think will be more successful?!

That would depend on what you define as success?
It seems that Chuck/NFU/Federal Liberals/UN definition of success differs ever so slightly from anyone with an ounce of common sense or understanding of economics.

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc, Ask Jason Kenney and Scotty Moe. They both have carbon taxes on large emitters such a fertilizer plants.

Both carrot and stick policies are going to be used and are being used by Conservative governments.

Oh,and Erin Otoole supports the Paris climate accord and not one Premier has said that the science is wrong or that they don't have a plan to reduce emissions.

The most interesting thing about this thread is that avowed climate change deniers seem to believe that they should be paid for carbon credits. Two observations: 1. They must believe human caused climate change is real. 2. Or they like to contradict themselves.

[nibs1]

Does anyone actually read the crap that chuck/chuck posts? Lol

i find myself just skipping over Chucks posts, lives in his parents basement and trolls the internet and has his mom bring down his meals probably a 40ish bachelor.

[chuckChuck]

Tipical Lefty jealous! Come on chuck u do nothing all year but cut and paste!

Not at all. I like warm vacations and I have had my share . But after a couple of weeks I would prefer to be doing something besides mixing cocktails and enjoying the scenery.

And SF3 and several other posters post way more that I ever do. So if anyone is going to be accused of wasting a lot of their time, we can start a list of the top posters and users on Agrisilly. LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to get into bed with the science deniers like Chuck, needs to spend a few minutes reading his NFU website.

The supposed farmers in the NFU are also campaigning for eliminating fertilizer ( because climate change), all petrochemical inputs( because climate change), attacks on livestock ( because climate change) etc etc. This is the slippery slope we would be signing up for if we ignore the science and lobby for a few pennies for sequestering CO2.

Since no one else wants to hold their nose and delve into the NFU website, I'll attach a few snippets. This is where we are headed if we buy into their CO2 as a pollutant fraud. IT WILL NOT END THERE. They will then go after fertilizer, cattle, diesel, etc.

https://www.nfu.ca/nfu-applauds-government-for-taking-action-on-nitrogen-fertilizer-emissions/ https://www.nfu.ca/nfu-applauds-government-for-taking-action-on-nitrogen-fertilizer-emissions/

https://www.nfu.ca/what-to-know-about-climate-change/ https://www.nfu.ca/what-to-know-about-climate-change/

Canadian agricultural emissions are rising: up 22 percent since 1990. Agriculture produces about 11 percent of Canadian emissions.

4. Farm inputs are the problem. For thousands of years, humans practised agriculture but did not affect the atmosphere or climate. Over the past century, however, as farmers purchased more and more energy-intensive inputs, emissions have soared.

5. Nitrogen fertilizer is a huge problem. It is unique among human materials and processes in that it is a major source of all three main greenhouse gases: nitrous oxide (when used), carbon dioxide (in production), and methane (from its feedstock, natural gas). Canadian farmers have doubled nitrogen fertilizer tonnage since 1993.

6. Cattle emit methane, a greenhouse gas 28 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. Atmospheric methane concentrations have doubled in the past 100 years. Sources include fossil-fuel production, landfills, and cattle and other grazing livestock.

https://www.nfu.ca/9381-2/ https://www.nfu.ca/9381-2/

Governments must accelerate on-farm renewable-energy production; the development of low-emission battery-electric trucks, tractors, and other farm equipment; and energy-conserving retrofits of farm buildings.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You just don’t get it, CO2 is not the issue. Habitat destruction is a different problem that needs to be addressed.

He really doesn't get it, both of the examples he provides have been discredited with peer reviewed sceince,and we have shown him that, but he still keeps repeating it.

[chuckChuck]

You just don’t get it, CO2 is not the issue. Habitat destruction is a different problem that needs to be addressed.

True, habitat destruction is caused by many things and climate change, is in many cases one of the causes. But you would have to be a big denier not to believe that human caused climate change is playing a role.

I just gave you two examples where climate change is having a dramatic affect on habitat. So show us the science that proves otherwise.

[bucket]

True, habitat destruction is caused by many things and climate change, is in many cases one of the causes. But you would have to be a big denier not to believe that human caused climate change is playing a role.

I just gave you two examples where climate change is having a dramatic affect on habitat. So show us the science that proves otherwise.

If Canada had 200 million people we wouldn't be having this conversation because everything is measured on a per capita basis.

[Hamloc]

Hamloc, Ask Jason Kenney and Scotty Moe. They both have carbon taxes on large emitters such a fertilizer plants.

Both carrot and stick policies are going to be used and are being used by Conservative governments.

Oh,and Erin Otoole supports the Paris climate accord and not one Premier has said that the science is wrong or that they don't have a plan to reduce emissions.

The most interesting thing about this thread is that avowed climate change deniers seem to believe that they should be paid for carbon credits. Two observations: 1. They must believe human caused climate change is real. 2. Or they like to contradict themselves.

How does this response answer my question? It is not Scotty Moe or Jason Kenney that are going to raise the carbon tax to $170 a tonne by 2030!! This policy has nothing to do with Conservative governments!! Are Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden considered Conservative?! Pull your head out of your butt and answer the question!!

As for climate change, if the climate hadn’t changed we would still be in an ice age ffs. Really the desire to be payed carbon credits have nothing to do with what your belief system is. If the U.S. is planning to pay farmers carbon credits, Canada must do the same to even the playing field, don’t you agree?!

[SASKFARMER]

Chuck wrote

Not at all. I like warm vacations and I have had my share . But after a couple of weeks I would prefer to be doing something besides mixing cocktails and enjoying the scenery.

And SF3 and several other posters post way more that I ever do. So if anyone is going to be accused of wasting a lot of their time, we can start a list of the top posters and users on Agrisilly. LOL Reply With Quote

Glen don’t bullshit us your getting real weird.


Your basically jealous of any one who works hard and enjoys there life at the farm and away.

Cut and paste chuck you and the NfU have no clue

[SASKFARMER]

Chuck if you just posted Agriville would die a quick death.

You are the reason we have lost so many over the years with your jealous of every one comments.

[blackpowder]

Gotta admit he successfully derailed a political ag policy direction discussion yet again.
He's a rock star. His only goal. Too good actually. Never has constructive opinions or original thoughts. I can only pity his Napoleon complex while congratulating him on his ability to guide every discussion remotely within his parameter towards the goal of infighting over a scientific theory.
Skills honed no doubt while defending the wheat board, now for him a sense of enjoyment.
The only effective recourse against passive aggressive behaviour is to completely ignore.
Too bad, I've occasionally sensed some good ideas.

[malleefarmer]

I just read the nfu links.

Bit confused is this your peak national farm body ?

You can or can’t vote them off if your not happy?

Or are there other more farmer friendly organisations?

Seems a bit of a shemozzle almost anti farming but hey that my first impression will reread.

A NFU group like the one mentioned wouldn’t stand a snowflakes chance in hell here.

Stirring shit apologies but you guys voted them in tough titties if you vote guys with such policies or are they a rebel group or a group largely ignored?

Most Aussie farm group peak bodies and farmers United whereas yours seems splintered.

I know many of you think Aussies are **** and pillage climate change rednecks so be it. But well will conform eventually and sadly way it is, and carbon tax is political suicide

[SASKFARMER]

The NFU maybe represents 1% of farmers