Fixing stupid???

[burnt]

I haven't read the entire thread, since it appears to have degenerated into a name calling match by both sides. So I may be wrong in this case.

But if Oneoff's past posts on technical matters are any indication, I suspect that the rest of us are probably way out of our league to try to outsmart him on this issue.

Might be worth listening to what he has to say, and verify the evidence he supports it with, rather than just immediately resorting to insults.

From what I remember, he seems to have been on the "right" side of most other issues, so I was surprised to discover that he is now labelled as the exact opposite for presenting rational science.

Perhaps we should leave the labels and insults and name calling and science denying to Chuck, and not lower ourselves collectively to his level. And that applies to both sides.

Or, just read the thread and see for yourself.

I have always respected oneoff because of his rational approach. And he is one of the last that I would have thought would resort to gaslighting to support his cause.

Unfortunately, the Wu Flu issue has brought out differences and shattered many perceptions that were held for a lifetime. And wrecked relationships, because of its attack on the fundamental elements that define human dignity and worth.

[oneoff]

I do apologize for any insults taken as having been cast. As a wise sister once said "You might have a point." All I'd ask is that intelligent conversations should be the norm. That's as far as I can go.

[jazz]

I do apologize for any insults taken as having been cast. As a wise sister once said "You might have a point." All I'd ask is that intelligent conversations should be the norm. That's as far as I can go.

Respectively oneoff, when you have to try to evoke Trump to make an argument, link it to science deniers and then try to shame everyone else for what is a personal choice, your so called rationality was out the window before you started typing this thread.

Nobody is anti vax on this forum if thats what your original thinking was when you started this. My family has had all shots and my wife and I both had both had recent boosters, flu shots plus a round of travel shots. None of that removes my right to wait until more data has come through or more time to judge the effectiveness of the latest research.

I dont just follow what govts tell me blindly, otherwise we would still be back at 2 weeks to flatten the curve and masks are racist. The goal posts on this have moved every single day on this barely qualified pandemic. I want to see if they start moving back. I want to see a country that is more than 50% vaccinated declare life back to normal. I am watching the UK, some of europe and the US for that.

[oneoff]

In order to rationally debate an issue there must be some agreed upon ground rules.

What sense is there to waste time and effort and risk damaged mental health if there can be no agreement on even the definition of a worldwide pandemic.

And are the British and Californian and South African variants and all yet to be found or not yet mutated versions of no concern. Why not everyone do everything they can (without argument) to get this terrible disease under control as soon as possible.

I don't care who the democratic leaders are (and not with a capital D). Some wouldn't support masking because it was apparently acquising to some other person's rules; or unmanly connotations or whatever...but Geez put it into context. Especially when simple measures ares shown to have positive disease suppression effects; please just do it.

Until this is over the world will never be the same. In fact as you probably suspect; attitudes have hardened and changed; perhaps permanently; because there are a whole lot of people involved who are outside the extreme points of view.

[poorboy]

Are we getting too much information?

Take a normal flu season, they make vaccines based on what they are seeing elsewhere in the world (usually southern hemisphere) and often they nail it, but sometimes the flu virus mutates and the flu vaccine given has no effect. So virus mutations are normal and can mutate to less dangerous forms as well.

If the last decade of news had daily reports of daily flu virus new cases and hospitalization numbers it would help as a comparison to todays coronovirus numbers.

Seems there are 2 kinds of farmers. Those who do preventive maintenance as insurance for what might happen and those who only fix on failure. I am seeing the same division in people on the coronovirus. Those who want to be extra careful so things don’t become a problem and those who don’t want to do anything until the system breaks. Both views of farm repairs and covid19 are actually correct, but have drastically different risk tolerances or prevention costs.

[Sodbuster]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nailed it.

[TOM4CWB]

Take a normal flu season, they make vaccines based on what they are seeing elsewhere in the world (usually southern hemisphere) and often they nail it, but sometimes the flu virus mutates and the flu vaccine given has no effect. So virus mutations are normal and can mutate to less dangerous forms as well.

If the last decade of news had daily reports of daily flu virus new cases and hospitalization numbers it would help as a comparison to todays coronovirus numbers.

Seems there are 2 kinds of farmers. Those who do preventive maintenance as insurance for what might happen and those who only fix on failure. I am seeing the same division in people on the coronovirus. Those who want to be extra careful so things don’t become a problem and those who don’t want to do anything until the system breaks. Both views of farm repairs and covid19 are actually correct, but have drastically different risk tolerances or prevention costs.

President Harris/Biden are those who want to BRAKE the System.... and leave Republican States like Texas to pay for the mess they are creating... Harris is laughing at Texas and the Human DISASTER Biden and Harris have created with illegal youth swarming the US border. Children drowning in the Reo Grand... they are just shipping youngsters out...some towards Canada...Enough to make one cry...

God have mercy on us...

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff you have done a great job of trying to explain why its important to get vaccinated and to take covid seriously. But there is only so much you can do with some people who refuse to listen to scientific evidence. Many people make emotional decisions and unless they know someone personally who has died, they don't take it seriously.

The reality is the numbers of outright covid deniers and antivaxers are small.

Wearing a mask, getting a vaccine and following reasonable rules to avoid infecting others is obviously too difficult for some. Yeah it makes no sense since farmers have been some of the least impacted people. But that is what we are dealing with.

[sumdumguy]

President Harris/Biden are those who want to BRAKE the System.... and leave Republican States like Texas to pay for the mess they are creating... Harris is laughing at Texas and the Human DISASTER Biden and Harris have created with illegal youth swarming the US border. Children drowning in the Reo Grand... they are just shipping youngsters out...some towards Canada...Enough to make one cry...

God have mercy on us...

What no one coming in on the north border? oh yeh, no welcome mat. can you imagine sending your 5 year old daughter out to cross the Rio Grand alone?

[jazz]

Geez, I thought the vaccine ends this pandemic. Uk is 50% vaccinated as of today.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/uk-holiday-fine-covid-19/index.html New UK law means $7,000 fines for vacations abroad

Man they are going all out on covid treatments; vaccines, sprays and now even pills. Too bad they never put this kind of effort into cancer.

https://www.businessinsider.com/oravax-tablet-covid-19-vaccine-plans-trials-soon-no-needles-2021-3