O'Toole declares 'the debate is over' on climate change, but his party's grassroots d

[chuckChuck]

O'Toole declares 'the debate is over' on climate change, but his party's grassroots disagree

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/otoole-declares-the-debate-is-over-on-climate-change-but-his-partys-grassroots-disagree https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/otoole-declares-the-debate-is-over-on-climate-change-but-his-partys-grassroots-disagree

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-delegates-reject-climate-change-is-real-1.5957739 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-delegates-reject-climate-change-is-real-1.5957739

Delegates issued a rebuke to climate-minded Conservatives and rejected the policy shift by a margin of 54 per cent to 46. In fact, it was one of only four policy proposals or modifications on a list of 50 pitched by electoral riding associations (EDAs) that were voted down by the delegates.

While delegates from each of the Atlantic provinces and Quebec embraced the "climate change is real" proposal — 70 per cent of delegates from New Brunswick and Quebec were onside with it — those from every other province and the territories voted against the change.

In B.C., the "no" side had just a two-point edge, while the vote was much more lopsided in Saskatchewan (73 per cent against), the territories (69 per cent opposed), Alberta (62 per cent opposed) and Ontario (58 per cent opposed).

A double majority of delegates — a majority of delegates overall and the majority of delegates in the majority of provinces — must agree to an official policy change.

The clear rejection came hours after Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole urged party members to embrace change or risk losing again to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals in the next election.

[chuckChuck]

So this puts O'Toole in an interesting position. Just over half the delegates believe the science of climate change is still open to debate. And just under half think it is time to recognize the obvious and do something about it.

So O'toole will now have to explain to voters that his party is not a bunch climate change deniers and yet he will as a leader embrace climate change science and policy that will not sit well with some of the party faithful.

You can tell how far the goal posts have moved when nearly half the party think climate change is real. The convention results will set back O'tooles plans to update the party's policy and appeal to more voters. I guess that's why they call themselves Conservatives.

[15444]

Pretty much come to the point where the party has to split up again. I am tired of social conservatives scaring everyone else away, when they would be much better suited to a party like Christian Heritage. Now those CH people can teach you a thing or two about living in 1625.

[jazz]

Pretty much come to the point where the party has to split up again. I am tired of social conservatives scaring everyone else away, when they would be much better suited to a party like Christian Heritage. Now those CH people can teach you a thing or two about living in 1625.

Social conservatives and climate change arent really formally linked and they cant be more than single digits in that party. Now do they have outsized influence on policy may be an issue. We have already seen that quebec and maritimes conservatives have an outsized influence with much fewer delegates because they elected Sheer and Otoole through the diary cartel.

This sounds more like an east vs west conservatives fight than anything to do with climate change. Of course conservatives in the east are going to say its real, because thats more carbon taxes to be extracted out of western canada to support social spending and dairy subsidies.

But the lesson that wasnt learned here is this simple. Make grandiose promises for whatever you need to get elected and then backtrack once in office. Thats the entire basis of the Trudeau govt. The general public are morons anyway.

[Sheepwheat]

This was a stupid idea put forth by some Quebec delegate. Why is it stupid? Because the cons already have climate change mitigation ideas and goals in their policy. So this was redundant.

But you won’t hear that on CBC. All you’re going to hear is that on this one stupid idea put forward, delegates voted against it. Make it look like and twist it into “cons are Neanderthals”.

Back to common sense. Those who can read and think know the truth. Those who don’t try, and simply hate anything others may have ideas on, will never know the truth.

[Hamloc]

So this puts O'Toole in an interesting position. Just over half the delegates believe the science of climate change is still open to debate. And just under half think it is time to recognize the obvious and do something about it.

So O'toole will now have to explain to voters that his party is not a bunch climate change deniers and yet he will as a leader embrace climate change science and policy that will not sit well with some of the party faithful.

You can tell how far the goal posts have moved when nearly half the party think climate change is real. The convention results will set back O'tooles plans to update the party's policy and appeal to more voters. I guess that's why they call themselves Conservatives.

Actually Chuck2 what the article says is 70% of the delegates in Quebec and Atlantic Canada believe the science is settled(I don’t think science is ever really settled) and in the rest of Canada a majority believe it isn’t. If you look at Conservative support across Canada in Quebec and Atlantic Canada is where it is the lowest, numbers look reasonable to me. 73% in Saskatchewan don’t believe the science is settled, lots of delegates I agree with in Saskatchewan!

[sumdumguy]

Conservatives had every chance of winning last election if not for Scheer’s baggage - American citizenship, kids schooling paid out of election fund, just too much garbage did him in. And sister in law working in constituency office. Rona or Pierre could win, no problem.

[chuckChuck]

Actually Chuck2 what the article says is 70% of the delegates in Quebec and Atlantic Canada believe the science is settled(I don’t think science is ever really settled) and in the rest of Canada a majority believe it isn’t. If you look at Conservative support across Canada in Quebec and Atlantic Canada is where it is the lowest, numbers look reasonable to me. 73% in Saskatchewan don’t believe the science is settled, lots of delegates I agree with in Saskatchewan!

Except elections are not won in Saskatchewan. And even in Saskatchewan Scotty Moe says climate change is real and he has a carbon tax on large emitters. So the issue of whether climate change is real or not was settled a long time ago. But don't let that stop you from trying to prove otherwise.

[jazz]

Conservatives had every chance of winning last election if not for Scheer’s baggage - American citizenship, kids schooling paid out of election fund, just too much garbage did him in.

I dont think Scheer has anything close to the baggage Trudeau has, he just didnt have a media covering for him.

Anyway, this convention is pointless. There is nothing Otoole can promise to get more support than he has. If someone is a clueless climate fanatic like chuck, you arent going to vote for Otoole - you are going to vote for Trudeau and Singh because climate policy bleeds into socialism and marxism where their true heart lies.

Might as well have the election, let Otoole get destroyed and start over....again.

[Sheepwheat]

Conservatives had every chance of winning last election if not for Scheer’s baggage - American citizenship, kids schooling paid out of election fund, just too much garbage did him in.

Meanwhile, Trudeau hires nannies using actual tax dollars. Wears blackface multiple times. Gropes women. Lies about everything. Loses the popular vote and still wins. I think it’s deeper. I think the east, the media, and the clueless had more to do with it than Scheers terrible sins.

It the east won’t join in to vote for today’s liberal light conservatives in name only, it shows me that the wild shift left is probably never going to shift back towards center. Maybe when Trudeau is no longer communist leader, I dunno.

[foragefarmer]

Conservatives just can't get along with each other.

The Reformers highjacked the CP party, as they knew they were not ever going to form government in Canada.

These social Reformers should just reinvent another party so the fiscal Conservatives can move on and Govern Canada again.

[Sheepwheat]

Conservatives just can't get along with each other.

The Reformers highjacked the CP party, as they knew they were not ever going to form government in Canada.

These social Reformers should just reinvent another party so the fiscal Conservatives can move on and Govern Canada again.

Liberals don’t get along either. They simply force everyone to think the same, quashing any diversity at all.
When Trudeau chose candidates, he ensured each one was for killing babies, for example.

[foragefarmer]

My point has been proved, move on Reformer.

[Sheepwheat]

My point has been proved, move on Reformer.

So you are pro killing? Because I’m pro life. Quite proud to be too.

[sumdumguy]

Jazz, the thing was that his garbage surfaced at the very worst time, just before Canada went to the polls and they came pelting down, almost every day and he was so evasive answering to the citizenship, kids schooling. It just looked really bad. IMHO, Trudeau never won the election, Cons lost it. They have to show strength and resolve not smiley faces and duh.