Meanwhile in the states

[bucket]

THERE ALSO WOULD BE PAYMENTS OF $20 AN ACRE FOR MANY ROW CROPS FROM CORN, SOYBEANS, AND WHEAT TO HEMP AND SAFFLOWER, WITH A PRICE TAG OF $4.5 BILLION.


Just $25cdn an acre to a farmer in the states...sort of like an irrigation farmer around Riverhurst Outlook or Lucky Lake ....

[chuckChuck]

what is the $25 per acre for?

[bucket]

Who knows just another payment to the US farmer....and our bunch of phucktard politicians argue about a carbon tax and agristability...both sides are ignoring farmers.

Lianne Rood can only talk about TFWs and then off to her next dress fitting.

[TOM4CWB]

what is the $25 per acre for?

Chuckchuck,

Covid-19, Agriculture does Carbon capture, increase in fuel costs because of restriction on use, higher cost of FF.

Cheers

[chuckChuck]

Nobody can tell us what the US $25 /acre payment is for? But you think you should get a taxpayer subsidy for what reason? Just because farming is hard?

I thought that most of you guys don't believe in subsidies? Grain prices are high and optimism in ag is high, but on Agrisilly times are tough and you want blanket handouts to every grain farm whether they need it or not?

What we need is a good safety net in crop insurance and income protection. We just received some widely supported improvements to Agristability with potentially more to come.

But you still want a blanket handout with what justification?

[chuckChuck]

Because I don't believe farmers, myself included, should get a blanket per acreage subsidy for no reason?

What is the subsidy for? Make your case. We are listening.

[bucket]

Irrigators in the Riverhurst Outlook Lucky Lake are receiving 40 bucks an acre for 5 years and no one knows why after they were given the assets for nothing...they are justifying the 4 billion dollar project on profitability when it hasn't happened with the existing districts in 40 years.

So I guess as a dryland farmer that helps the irrigators through taxes I would like an acreage payment as well.

[chuckChuck]

Irrigators in the Riverhurst Outlook Lucky Lake are receiving 40 bucks an acre for 5 years and no one knows why after they were given the assets for nothing...they are justifying the 4 billion dollar project on profitability when it hasn't happened with the existing districts in 40 years.

So I guess as a dryland farmer that helps the irrigators through taxes I would like an acreage payment as well.

I am with you on not subsidizing irrigation farmers. But what is the reason to support blanket subsidies?

[bucket]

Your simple mind wouldn’t get it even if I spent the day trying to explain.
Is the US justifying why they support the farmer, simple enough?

They support the farmer because it is the quickest and simplest way to move the money to the economy....


Canada has had the infrastructure bank and how many projects are being done to date...Better yet how many trees has the government planted????

If you gave the trees or the program to farmers or ranchers or the forest industry it probably would have been done already.

[chuckChuck]

With blanket subsidies for no reason, a large percentage end up going to those who don't need it.

That drives up rents, land prices, input prices and makes it harder for young people with no equity to succeed in farming.

If you want to stimulate the economy, don't give tax breaks and subsidies to people who don't need it.

Give more support to people who need to improve their lives, get better educations and better jobs. That will stimulate the economy more efficiently.

[Guest]

People that need it , You know , like the kliebergs, loblaws, the weston’s etc
Like numbnuts does
How the hell are they gonna give keebeck 13 billion this year without starting a revolution?

[WiltonRanch]

Better to give the money to our aboriginal population. That will create more local economic activity than tax breaks and incentives. Their spending is probably the most patriotic of anyone.

[bucket]

I am with you on not subsidizing irrigation farmers. But what is the reason to support blanket subsidies?

Just watched Meeting 22 of the TRAN committee meeting on Canada's Infrastructure Bank...Alberta's entire irrigation expansion is funded by governments...Scheer pointed it out..He read the headline about the irrigation districts thanking the government for the money ....The CIB rep said the districts money was private money ...it isn't.


Even worse in Saskatchewan...4 billion will be transferred to no more than 1000 farmers according to the WSA rep on an irrigation webinar the other day.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/farm-incomes-on-average-soared-in-canada-last-year/ https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/farm-incomes-on-average-soared-in-canada-last-year/

Farm incomes — on average — soared in Canada last year
Grain and oilseed farmers did very well indeed, but livestock producers saw a drop in cash income
By Manitoba Co-operator Staff

Published: March 19, 2021
News

Thanks to soaring crop prices, farm income hit a new record in 2020 and will set another one this year, according to Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada.

“In spite of recent challenges, notably COVID-19’s impacts on the food supply chain, the growth in farm income shows that the sector is weathering these disruptions well and adjusting farming decisions accordingly,” AgCanada said in a news release.

It said the total net cash income for Canadian farms hit $16.5 billion last year — a $3-billion (or 21.8 per cent) jump, from 2019. The net operating income per farm grew by even more, hitting $95,000 last year. That’s a 25.4 per cent leap from the 2019 figure of $76,000 per farm.

But that average number does not tell the tale as crop growers had a far different year than livestock producers.

“While the agriculture sector on the balance had a good year, some sectors did better than others and growth was uneven,” said AgCanada. “The grain sector had a very good year with record crop production, strong prices, and minimal transportation issues. However, some other commodities, such as red meat and horticulture, saw more challenges from COVID-19 impacts.”

Crop receipts are estimated to have increased by 12 per cent last year while livestock receipts declined by two per cent, the department said.

But with canola prices hitting record levels, strong grain prices, and exports surging, it will be another very good year for crop producers, it predicted.

“There continues to be uncertainty surrounding COVID-19. However, based on the expectation that the current situation continues to return to normal market conditions, NCI (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”

That would see net operating income grow by another 8.5 per cent this year and reach $103,000 per farm.

AgCanada also looks at total “farm family” income and said it hit $194,000 last year and will grow to “just under $208,000” in 2021.

“Net worth is forecast to reach $3.5 million per farm, up 2.9 per cent from 2020 levels,” it added.

[chuckChuck]

Did some of you miss out on the rising farm incomes in 2020?

What is reason for believing that crop farmers need a blanket subsidy when in fact they saw a significant rise in prices and incomes in 2020?

Crop receipts rose 12% in 2020 and (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”