Meanwhile in the states

[bucket]

I am with you on not subsidizing irrigation farmers. But what is the reason to support blanket subsidies?

Just watched Meeting 22 of the TRAN committee meeting on Canada's Infrastructure Bank...Alberta's entire irrigation expansion is funded by governments...Scheer pointed it out..He read the headline about the irrigation districts thanking the government for the money ....The CIB rep said the districts money was private money ...it isn't.


Even worse in Saskatchewan...4 billion will be transferred to no more than 1000 farmers according to the WSA rep on an irrigation webinar the other day.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/farm-incomes-on-average-soared-in-canada-last-year/ https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/farm-incomes-on-average-soared-in-canada-last-year/

Farm incomes — on average — soared in Canada last year
Grain and oilseed farmers did very well indeed, but livestock producers saw a drop in cash income
By Manitoba Co-operator Staff

Published: March 19, 2021
News

Thanks to soaring crop prices, farm income hit a new record in 2020 and will set another one this year, according to Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada.

“In spite of recent challenges, notably COVID-19’s impacts on the food supply chain, the growth in farm income shows that the sector is weathering these disruptions well and adjusting farming decisions accordingly,” AgCanada said in a news release.

It said the total net cash income for Canadian farms hit $16.5 billion last year — a $3-billion (or 21.8 per cent) jump, from 2019. The net operating income per farm grew by even more, hitting $95,000 last year. That’s a 25.4 per cent leap from the 2019 figure of $76,000 per farm.

But that average number does not tell the tale as crop growers had a far different year than livestock producers.

“While the agriculture sector on the balance had a good year, some sectors did better than others and growth was uneven,” said AgCanada. “The grain sector had a very good year with record crop production, strong prices, and minimal transportation issues. However, some other commodities, such as red meat and horticulture, saw more challenges from COVID-19 impacts.”

Crop receipts are estimated to have increased by 12 per cent last year while livestock receipts declined by two per cent, the department said.

But with canola prices hitting record levels, strong grain prices, and exports surging, it will be another very good year for crop producers, it predicted.

“There continues to be uncertainty surrounding COVID-19. However, based on the expectation that the current situation continues to return to normal market conditions, NCI (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”

That would see net operating income grow by another 8.5 per cent this year and reach $103,000 per farm.

AgCanada also looks at total “farm family” income and said it hit $194,000 last year and will grow to “just under $208,000” in 2021.

“Net worth is forecast to reach $3.5 million per farm, up 2.9 per cent from 2020 levels,” it added.

[chuckChuck]

Did some of you miss out on the rising farm incomes in 2020?

What is reason for believing that crop farmers need a blanket subsidy when in fact they saw a significant rise in prices and incomes in 2020?

Crop receipts rose 12% in 2020 and (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”

[furrowtickler]

Sounds like the same b/S projections from last summer of record canola crop
Next years crop is a very long ways from the bin .
Big returns need a good crop
Go back and look at that soil moisture map that was posted .
People have short memories of nearly zero crop in 2001 and 2002.
High prices don’t mean anything next fall till the crop is in the bin

[furrowtickler]

The only thing guaranteed is expenses are going to be way up higher and carbon tax will take a very big chunk next year

[blackpowder]

What should ag policy do?
Stats Can info says all good.
When bad things happen the weak always disappear. Big get bigger, just faster with no govt.
However, govts job might be to recognize unfair advantages and the advantages.
Carbon train redistributing a lot of money and ag left to kick turds here.

[TASFarms]

Did some of you miss out on the rising farm incomes in 2020?

What is reason for believing that crop farmers need a blanket subsidy when in fact they saw a significant rise in prices and incomes in 2020?

Crop receipts rose 12% in 2020 and (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”

Your forgetting about the previous years where canola price sucked, lentil price sucked,durum price sucked, peas price sucked. And wheat still sucking.

[Guest]

Did some of you miss out on the rising farm incomes in 2020?

What is reason for believing that crop farmers need a blanket subsidy when in fact they saw a significant rise in prices and incomes in 2020?

Crop receipts rose 12% in 2020 and (net cash income) is forecast to further grow in 2021 by 6.8 per cent to $17.6 billion.”

It’s bullshit
Like the huge huge huge canola crop last year
Give your f k n head a shake ?
Lots never got enough canola to fill their $10 contracts
Canola got to $20 cause they’re was none
The drought also f u c k e d up their bullshit huge carry over from the year before

[chuckChuck]

So you did miss out on the high prices.

I thought that in the free market you guys would have locked in and sold grain at some decent prices. But because you didn't, you want taxpayers to give you a blanket handout regardless of whether you need it or not?

Sharpen your pencils and don't expect no strings attached blanket subsidies without a good reason.

[blackpowder]

Bringing up the free market jab over again doesn't help your case at all Chuck.

[furrowtickler]

Loved that fact that we were able to wait out the wheat market and sell 90% near the high and get 100% of our money at the point of sale .
Canola , well it’s self explanatory. They kept the price down as long as they could.
Something had to be sold for cash flow .
Most will still average out in that $14-$15 range . Don’t need a single market dictatorship to do that on our own .
Also paper can replace sales to capture any more upside. But it’s cash flow at point of sale , and being able to deliver as much as necessary when needed will always our way the old antiquated quota system and delayed payments.
We delivered 1800 ton of wheat in 4 days and got paid .
One talks about willingness of change ... well it’s a new world , don’t get stuck in the 70’s .

[Guest]

So you did miss out on the high prices.

I thought that in the free market you guys would have locked in and sold grain at some decent prices. But because you didn't, you want taxpayers to give you a blanket handout regardless of whether you need it or not?

Sharpen your pencils and don't expect no strings attached blanket subsidies without a good reason.

We worked up every acre of canola from hail
So no ....