We Could Have Been Largely Free of the Pandemic by Now -Andrew Nikiforuk 25 Mar 2021

[jazz]

The vaccines that are called totally safe are technically still in clinical trials for another 18 months.

You can see them here;

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728?term=NCT04368728&draw=2&rank=1

I guess we are the Phase 3 trial.

[oneoff]

Dml , how can we take vaccines seriously if there is none to be had ?
Another stumbling block coming
And not getting the second dose in time , so CBC can tell us how many are vaccinated , is like using too low a rate of herbicide , causes mutation

C'mon be reasonable. At least don't work against what is possible.

Start with baby steps and admit that recovered Covid patients have some immunity; at least for the strain(s) which infected them. Its still possible that immunity may be in order of several months. Its not as though there is zero vaccine available; but obviously not all can be done at once. Also obvious that some will change their minds (but just tardy and in some cases too late). Support existing plans and advocate for more availability.

Quit pushing second doses before everyone has opportunity to get the first one. That 3 or 4 week second dose argument has been lost already. I personally had same opinion even before Canada changed its position. There was a consensus that was the best judgement call. While hindsight will be 20/20; probability is on side of that being an honest; most logical decision.

The Herbicide analogy fails just as spraying 100% water has zero effect on anything a mist of water and maybe a puff on wind does not hurt significantly. Again; logic of your argument totally fails....but nice try.

[oneoff]

We Agrivillers are unbelievably fortunate to have among us one who is, evidently, far wiser than Dr. Fauci, who says - likely without any basis as per our resident jabber expert - that variants are of little or no concern. But just for hellery, let's hear what the goofball Dr. Fauci has to say about delayed 2nd doses and variants:

And please be reminded that the term "vaccine" is applied very loosely here.

I think most on here who have any significant experience in using real vaccines, pharmaceuticals on livestock, or real herbicides on crops, are well aware of the possibilities, both short-term and long-term, when we cut dosages and rates.

But there are those who are smarter than science and empirical evidence who would say that the labels may be ignored without consequence?

Sure, let's give them a peaceful platform.

Hey - wait a minute - would their defense of a bad situation tell of their mindless devotion to a completely corrupt and irredeemably incompetent Librano government?

Maybe, just maybe...

Your error in saying that first dose is a cut dosage and rate is an outright lie. The evidence is that immunity levels are still sufficiently high after the (approximately adhered to )time period
in the Phase3.

Did you really want a minimum of 6 8 months; a year or 5 years data before any manufacturer could apply for emergency use? Perhaps you could provide some verifiable data that shows the number of reinfections that resulted in any hospitalization or even more importantly serious Covid reinfection that caused intensive care admission.

Perhaps you could entertain the questions that are of significance; before shooting off solutions to lesser bullshit concerns.

[fjlip]

"5 years data before any manufacturer could apply for emergency use? " they would be applying for a vaccine approval, NOT emergency experimental therapy.

More doubt, more variants...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

92 and Smarter and WISER than many on here....

https://youtu.be/dVRS3jRwWNk https://youtu.be/dVRS3jRwWNk

[oneoff]

This site has seen unwarranted trashing of people of reputations of certain persons with post graduate degrees. This done by people who don't probably have any idea of the number of years required to obtain such awards from institutes of higher learning.

I suspect that none of those attacks are made from anyone who success fully completed Biology 101. Hell; I well remember the first welcome to the UofS greeting and the professor commenting that one third of the packed lecture hall would be vacant by the mid term of the first semester. He also said that the only reason they had gained entrance to the university was because the Grade 12 exams were graded on a curve; and most didn't really get a 50% actual grade.
And for those who ever took a Biochemistry class in the Thorvaldson Building; if you could even keep up with the lecturers huge blackboard fulls of boat and chair biochemical pathway reactions; let alone make sense of it; and retain it for at least a few months; you'd have more respect for the body of known knowledge at the time.
Add on that some more years of post graduate studies; a thesis and all else involved and you'd come out with a new respect for "that which you did not know" . And except for a few true ***** with a few letters before or after their given names, those people should be listened to well before someone with only personal opinions and firmly held beliefs; and no open mind...
Question what you will; but when (and if) you lose the debate; turn silent to avoid further embarrassing yourself. And in instances you once thought you were wrong; but were later proven correct; you will regain the respect deserved for those who were proven correct with new evidence.

[burnt]

Your error in saying that first dose is a cut dosage and rate is an outright lie. The evidence is that immunity levels are still sufficiently high after the (approximately adhered to )time period
in the Phase3.

Did you really want a minimum of 6 8 months; a year or 5 years data before any manufacturer could apply for emergency use? Perhaps you could provide some verifiable data that shows the number of reinfections that resulted in any hospitalization or even more importantly serious Covid reinfection that caused intensive care admission.

Perhaps you could entertain the questions that are of significance; before shooting off solutions to lesser bullshit concerns.

It's hard to determine if you are suffering from a lack of comprehension or diminished cognitive abilities - nowhere did I say that one jab is a cut rate, simply that it is, according to the manufacturers, - are you listening - an off-label usage of an already only semi-effective brew

Putting words in my mouth only makes you the liar.

Furthermore, are you contradicting what Fauci said, which is what I repeated? You diminish yourself further with each post you make.

And it gives me no pleasure to say that about someone whom I had at one time held in high regard.

Oneoff, what has happened to you? In the past couple of weeks you seem to have suffered from some mental or physical incident. Are you okay?

[chuckChuck]

But Oneoff, science degrees based on the collective wisdom of hundreds of years of scientific advances and evidence don't count anymore with some people.

Give them a "smart" phone and a few conspiracy sites and they have all the information they need! LOL

Funny though, if they still need surgery or dental work they put their faith in experienced surgeons and dentists who studied science and passed their exams. But maybe not! Some of these guys could be doing their own surgery and dentistry because they don't trust experts or evidence!

I hope they are sterilizing their instruments, washing their hands and wearing a mask!

[Guest]

C'mon be reasonable. At least don't work against what is possible.

Start with baby steps and admit that recovered Covid patients have some immunity; at least for the strain(s) which infected them. Its still possible that immunity may be in order of several months. Its not as though there is zero vaccine available; but obviously not all can be done at once. Also obvious that some will change their minds (but just tardy and in some cases too late). Support existing plans and advocate for more availability.

Quit pushing second doses before everyone has opportunity to get the first one. That 3 or 4 week second dose argument has been lost already. I personally had same opinion even before Canada changed its position. There was a consensus that was the best judgement call. While hindsight will be 20/20; probability is on side of that being an honest; most logical decision.

The Herbicide analogy fails just as spraying 100% water has zero effect on anything a mist of water and maybe a puff on wind does not hurt significantly. Again; logic of your argument totally fails....but nice try.

did you listen to Faucci on that ?

[Guest]

Your reliable reports are wrong Saskatchewan health will be calling and rescheduling appointments in rural areas this week because of vaccine shortages.

but he ignores that ?

[oneoff]

But Oneoff, science degrees based on the collective wisdom of hundreds of years of scientific advances and evidence don't count anymore with some people.

Give them a "smart" phone and a few conspiracy sites and they have all the information they need! LOL

Funny though, if they still need surgery or dental work they put their faith in experienced surgeons and dentists who studied science and passed their exams. But maybe not! Some of these guys could be doing their own surgery and dentistry because they don't trust experts or evidence!

I hope they are sterilizing their instruments, washing their hands and wearing a mask!

Some would and have said real decision is whether any Covid vaccines are necessary at all

Some would and have said that we should wait maybe for "5 years" to be more sure that a fully safe and effective vaccine is given to anyone.

Burnt has postulated that extending a second dose should be a game changer; even though the Phase 3 Phizer and Moderna (and certainly the Astra Zeneca Great Britain experience ) delays of second doses have; to my knowledge; been shown to have caused any relapses or reinfectionsin individuals who have not yet received booster doses.

Admittedly the Phase 3 trials had to end at some date or they would have gone on forever; and no application for emergency use (or much later approved vaccine) could have been entertained by the regulators.

The bottom line ; as has been said if you read it; is the risk/benefit ratio in such a case.
Nothing is 100% certain and time is of the essence. Did you really expect the initial dose to work worth a shit anyway/

Until you can report hospitalization required as a result of said delay; or ICU admissions and significant disease effects from stretching the booster dose interval (in order to give 100% hospitalization and significant disease issues to double the number of humans that has NOT resulted in your fears materializing.

THEN I ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT?

And burnt "If you have lost respect for anyone...then just maybe keep that to yourself. Its a contradiction to your other reasoning; when used in the same breath".