Why is Covid political?

[Guest]

Well I take it serious but contrary to what some are saying an 85-90 year old still can’t get done here

[dmlfarmer]

When I first posed the question I was asking from a micro perspective. There are a vocal group which went full anti Trudeau over slow delivery and slow approval of vaccines. Now that vaccines are being delivered, those same people are now questioning the rapid approval process and personally refusing the vaccines. That is the hypocrisy that I was questioning. I could see no other reason for such a turn around other than trying to score political points and no one has answered as to why the change in position if not for political posturing.

As far as vaccine hesitancy, there is most definitely a difference in acceptance based of political and religious leanings from a macro standpoint and it is well documented in the US. Tribe is playing a role in acceptance of vaccines hesitancy. To say the left is all for it and the right is not one way or the other is over simplistic.
for example: "In Texas, 61% of white Republicans, and 59% of all Republicans regardless of race, either said they are reluctant to get the vaccine or would refuse it outright, according to the February University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll. Only 25% of Texas Democrats said they were hesitant or would refuse to get a COVID-19 shot, according to the poll." https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-white-republicans-16050176.php https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-white-republicans-16050176.php

[dmlfarmer]

Well I take it serious but contrary to what some are saying an 85-90 year old still can’t get done here

I have no doubt there are areas in every province where vaccines are not reaching people eligible and who want the vaccine. There are lots of holes in the rollout program in every province and people are getting missed who should have received a shot earlier because of booking issues/delivery issues within province/lack or ultra cold storage in case of Pfizer vaccine/lack of staff to administer vaccines/or a provincial focus on delivery to another region city or area. In Manitoba, a recent CBC report found only half of 80+ year old's have received the first shot. It is very unfortunate.

But vaccines are arriving in Canada and being delivered based on population to each province for delivery according to each provinces plan.

And some good news is it was just announced about an hour ago that Pfizer is going to send five million more vaccine doses to Canada in June than it previously planned, and AstraZeneca will ship 4.4 million doses by the end of June.

[furrowtickler]

[fjlip]

China politicized it all a long time ago!

"How Phony Coronavirus “Fear Videos” Were Used as Psychological Weapons to Bring America to Her Knees"

https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/

And our own home grown SOB using the VIRUS China gave us.

"Trudeau’s crazy COVID plan for 2021?"

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/ https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dml, do you care to address my concerns in the 2nd post?
Do you think that the well intentioned efforts of Agstar, Chuck, yourself etc bear any responsibility for hardening the resolve of anyone who doesn't share your world view and socialist agenda?
If you were a healthcare professional responsible for informing the public about the risks of Covid, the mitigation efforts, and the effectiveness of vaccines to the farmer demographic, would you choose somweone who is respected, knowledgeable, polite, has an impecable track record of being non partisan on policy issues?
Or would you choose Mr. Flat earth himself?
As they say, with friends like these, who needs enemies?

[macdon02]

There was no way of launching the climate change agenda without covid, they needed a reason to ban travel, that was socially acceptable, fear, so they could assault the oil industry. They need small business dead, because if your next meal doesn't come from govt you won't follow, the masks and vaccines are to show your commitment to the cause. And we have been pitting everyone against each other through immigration and not implementing a policy that you had to take on the Canadian identity like our forefathers did through language and religion on entry. Cancel culture, forget your Canadian heritage, keep the old country. We are living in Babel. Did nobody read history? Oh they don't teach that, only white man bad. The liberals and conservatives will fracture, just like the dems are in the US. There's not that many AOC's, half ~ of them are reasonable, the same with the republicans, there's corruption in both parties, in both countries. Half ~ are power mongers the rest, jrs, had and still remember honest intentions, but they are extremely low on the totem pole, so they get threatened to follow and don't speak up. It's a mess, and until someone flips the tables, nothing changes. There's evil in govt, recognize it. Term limits?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There was no way of launching the climate change agenda without covid, they needed a reason to ban travel, that was socially acceptable, fear, so they could assault the oil industry. They need small business dead, because if your next meal doesn't come from govt you won't follow, the masks and vaccines are to show your commitment to the cause. And we have been pitting everyone against each other through immigration and not implementing a policy that you had to take on the Canadian identity like our forefathers did through language and religion on entry. Cancel culture, forget your Canadian heritage, keep the old country. We are living in Babel. Did nobody read history? Oh they don't teach that, only white man bad. The liberals and conservatives will fracture, just like the dems are in the US. There's not that many AOC's, half ~ of them are reasonable, the same with the republicans, there's corruption in both parties, in both countries. Half ~ are power mongers the rest, jrs, had and still remember honest intentions, but they are extremely low on the totem pole, so they get threatened to follow and don't speak up. It's a mess, and until someone flips the tables, nothing changes. There's evil in govt, recognize it. Term limits?

This is a perfect example. I can't argue with anything you wrote in this post. I know you are a very smart guy, well connected with your finger on the pulse of these things. I know you aren't some crazy conspiracy theorist.
As you have connected the dots, the logical conclusion to make is that Covid is being used as a convenient excuse to bring in a lot of very bad policies.

But all of that being true still doesn't mean that Covid is a hoax or a scam, or that Bill Gates is trying to microchip( or kill, or sterilize) all of us with a vaccine, or that social distancing doesn't reduce the spread of viruses etc etc.

And that is what the true believers fail to grasp. They gave thinking people the reason to doubt their intentions, and they set the stage for conspiracies, when they didn't draw a clear line between what is a genuine health risk to certain people, and the crazies who want to remake society in their socialist/environmentalist image.
If anyone actually takes the pandemic seriously, then you need to stand up to, and denounce those who are taking advantage of this to advance their agendas.
By failing to do so, they have lost all credibility.

[burnt]

This is a perfect example. I can't argue with anything you wrote in this post. I know you are a very smart guy, well connected with your finger on the pulse of these things. I know you aren't some crazy conspiracy theorist.
As you have connected the dots, the logical conclusion to make is that Covid is being used as a convenient excuse to bring in a lot of very bad policies.

But all of that being true still doesn't mean that Covid is a hoax or a scam, or that Bill Gates is trying to microchip( or kill, or sterilize) all of us with a vaccine, or that social distancing doesn't reduce the spread of viruses etc etc.

And that is what the true believers fail to grasp. They gave thinking people the reason to doubt their intentions, and they set the stage for conspiracies, when they didn't draw a clear line between what is a genuine health risk to certain people, and the crazies who want to remake society in their socialist/environmentalist image.
If anyone actually takes the pandemic seriously, then you need to stand up to, and denounce those who are taking advantage of this to advance their agendas.
By failing to do so, they have lost all credibility.

Yes?

And you cannot help but see what happens to those who do stand up and say the very things you suggest.

And the most destructive part is that the only ones who get a platform are the "crazies" who are using this Operation Covid to reshape society into their own demented illusory utopia-cum-dystopia.

Good luck, Albertafarmer5, with getting your message out.

Doug Ford just disregarded the evidence-based collective advice and voice of thousands of health care professionals and put us back into lock down.

So much for science and reason.

Oh, but it's not a scam.

Give your head a shake, man.

[GDR]

Burnt's quote:


"Doug Ford just disregarded the evidence-based collective advice and voice of thousands of health care professionals and put us back into lock down."

Is this the health professionals advice you talk about?

[jazz]

Is this the health professionals advice you talk about?

Ask those same doctors if they will donate an equal amount of their salary to the people affected by the lock down.

Bet that letter gets rewritten pretty fast.

Maybe they can send a letter to Trudeau for more health care money instead of Africa donations.

Dont think for a moment that doctors dont have political bias as well. Many of them are devout socialist hypocrites living in $5M houses.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Burnt's quote:


"Doug Ford just disregarded the evidence-based collective advice and voice of thousands of health care professionals and put us back into lock down."

Is this the health professionals advice you talk about?

Exactly.
And it is unconscionable that people, politicians and organizations are using these deaths and tragedies to make this political, to further their radical agenda.

The blood is on their hands, not the people who are pushing back against remaking society.