Why is Covid political?

[dmlfarmer]

Yet another study, this one from the cdc, says mask wearing decreases spread of Covid, by a whopping 0.7 per cent. But the EVIL msm, refuse to report on that, because they are complicit with the EVIL leaders.

That is not what the study investigated or the conclusions it came it. This claim by far right wing media has been disputed by the CDC and a number of fact checking organizations.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-posts-distort-cdc-study-supporting-masks-mandates-to-reduce-covid-19/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-posts-distort-cdc-study-supporting-masks-mandates-to-reduce-covid-19/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/12/fact-check-cdc-study-links-mask-mandates-slowed-covid-infections/6938262002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/12/fact-check-cdc-study-links-mask-mandates-slowed-covid-infections/6938262002/

[fjlip]

"The study found that mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease in daily COVID-19 case growth rates within the first 20 days. The reductions in growth rates increased with time, reaching 1.1, 1.5, 1.7 and 1.8 percentage points within 21 to 40, 41 to 60, 61 to 80, and 81 to 100 days, respectively, after implementation."

"In the first 20 days after implementing mask mandates, new cases slowed by 0.5 percentage points. They continued to fall over the 100 days analyzed in the study. COVID-19 death rates dropped by 0.7 percentage points in the first 20 days after masks were required."

Not the same wording?

Bet these are all Russian Conspired.











Not very effective...

[dmlfarmer]

"The study found that mask mandates .....

Do you honestly believe that the moment a mask mandate is implemented that every person puts on a mask and wears it all the time they are in close contact with another person, including family?

Mask mandates were the subject of the study, not mask effectiveness and there was no accounting for how many people did not wear masks even if mandated.

Second, there was a measureable decrease rate of growth in transmission, spread and death therefore the study concluded mask mandates are effective. If mask mandates are effective, then masks must be.

[Taiga]

0-19 years of age, 99.9% survival rate

20-49 years of age, 99.8% survival rate

Why would you even consider a vaccine if you are under 50.

Who the F would give it to their kids.

The cure is worse than the disease.

These vaccines are unproven and only approved for use by using various Emergency Acts.

Proven, readily available, successful, and cheap anti-virals that have been in use for decades are suddenly vilified simply because Trump suggests people talk to their doctors about them.

Real doctors are pissed off, fane doctors like One-off and Agstar continue their fear campaigns.

Real people continue to suffer and die because resources are pulled and directed to the China-sniffle-flu, surgeries are cancelled, cancers morph to Stage 4. Just so the Ken’s and Karen’s can glare at you over their masks, which do absolutely nothing.

Liberal cronies and friends with benefits suddenly overnight are running PPE companies and distribution centres from their houses.

No politics here.

[burnt]

Wesley Wark is likely just politicizing Tam's WuFlu response in his assessment report to the Auditor General on the government's response, right?

BTW, he said she was wrong, which was proven by her flip-flopping faster than a fish on a river bank.



Tam criticized for supporting ‘indefensible’ assessment of COVID-19 risk Tam criticized for supporting ‘indefensible’ assessment of COVID-19 risk

[Guest]

After all Covid hits both the left and right.

In January a group of posters on here were screaming that Trudeau blew the Covid response because of his
-betting on Chinese vaccine
-not approving other vaccines fast enough
-not getting vaccines delivered fast enough
etc

Now that Canada is regularly receiving vaccines, those same posters say they will not take the vaccines if available because:
-not enough testing
-too fast approvals
-not safe
etc.

Those posters cheered Trump's warp speed that speeded up research, testing, approval and delivery mechanisms but now that Trump is gone they post memes that question the speed that vaccines were developed and tested.

They claim Canada did not shut down air and border travel soon enough or completely, yet complain now they cannot travel. Now they do not want their province, area, or town shut down because of very few cases. The shutdowns are to prevent spread to an area be it Canada last spring or your RM now

Seriously, when your arguments change on the basis of political bashing rather than impact on covid, do you really think anyone takes your arguments seriously?

BTW, for those of you who continue to blame Trudeau for the slow vaccination success in Canada due to lack of vaccine procurement, lack of vaccine manufacturing etc, here is an interesting article today on the Russian experience. Russia was the first country to approve a vaccine (Sputnik V) back in August and was the first to roll out mass distribution of that vaccine in December. Yet they have vaccinated a lower percentage of their population than Canada has and cannot meet demand so has turned to South Korea and India to import the vaccine they developed for their own needs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/28/world/europe/sputnik-vaccine-russia.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20210329&ins tance_id=28593&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=50975083 &segment_id=54395&user_id=7a12d123dfb1d02ee141dbfe a005288b https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/28/world/europe/sputnik-vaccine-russia.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20210329&ins tance_id=28593&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=50975083 &segment_id=54395&user_id=7a12d123dfb1d02ee141dbfe a005288b

canada is recieving regular vaccines , really ?? quebec maybe ?
tell that to all the 85-90year olds that got cancelled again here

[Guest]

dml, one off , regular supply of vaccines , really

[dmlfarmer]

dml, one off , regular supply of vaccines , really

really

following is the vaccine delivery schedule for the next few months.
Is it enough? Not for those who want one as soon as possible but are not in the age/group eligible for vaccination as determined by your province. But there are 7.9 billion people on this planet and if even half want a vaccine that is 8 billion doses (most are 2 shot) that have to be manufactured, delivered, and administered world wide. This is not going to happen overnight as much as the me first thinkers want it to.

Ottawa does not determine who in a province is eligible, or where the vaccines are shipped within each province. That is a provincial responsibility.

Sad that your 85 year old mother has not yet got her vaccine when Sask already opened up phase 2 vaccinations and are vaccinating under 60 year olds at drive throughs in Regina. But that is not the fault of Ottawa or vaccine delivery, that is a decision Sask health has made.

Distributing vaccines
COVID-19 vaccines will be available to everyone in Canada who are recommended to get the vaccine by federal, provincial and territorial public health bodies. Doses of the vaccines will be distributed in Canada in phases, which began in December 2020. Assuming the continued supply of safe and effective vaccines, it's expected there will be enough vaccines to immunize everyone for whom vaccines are approved and recommended. We anticipate this will be accomplished by September of 2021.

The following table describes the quantities of COVID-19 vaccines that have been delivered to provinces and territories to date. The total vaccine confirmed distribution table will be updated weekly.

Total COVID-19 vaccine confirmed distribution as of March 25, 2021, at 12:30 pm
Vaccine distribution COVISHIELD Verity/Serum Institute of India Pfizer/BioNTech Moderna Total
Total distributed in Canada 500,000 4,335,228 1,342,780 6,178,008
Newfoundland and Labrador 7,000 59,280 18,000 84,280
Prince Edward Island 2,000 19,305 5,900 27,205
Nova Scotia 13,000 111,930 29,700 154,630
New Brunswick 10,500 88,725 23,890 123,115
Quebec 113,000 979,083 280,490 1,372,573
Ontario 194,500 1,686,165 473,000 2,353,665
Manitoba 18,000 160,680 61,700 240,380
Saskatchewan 15,500 135,525 37,000 188,025
Alberta 58,500 506,415 132,500 697,415
British Columbia 68,000 588,120 136,500 792,620
Yukon 0 0 51,400 51,400
Northwest Territories 0 0 51,600 51,600
Nunavut 0 0 37,500 37,500
Federal allocationFootnote1 0 0 3,600 3,600
Footnotes
Footnote 1
Federal allocation includes doses for Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), the Canadian Armed Forces and Correctional Service Canada

Return to footnote1referrer
The following tables describe the allocations of vaccine that are forecasted to be available for provinces and territories over the next number of weeks. These tables are updated as the quantities of available vaccine and the timing of future deliveries are confirmed. Fluctuations from week to week are possible. Allocation forecasts are therefore subject to change on short notice.

The tables below reflect forecasted allocations for provinces and territories as of March 26, 2021.

Forecasted allocation of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to provinces and territories
Current Pfizer-BioNTech allocations are based on a 6 dose per vial product monograph.

Distribution location 15-21 Mar 22-28 Mar 29 Mar - 4 Apr 5-11 Apr 12-18 Apr 19-25 Apr 26 Apr - 2 May 3-9 May 10-16 May 17-23 May 24-30 May
Total forecasted allocations 444,600 1,194,570 1,195,740 1,019,070 1,019,070 1,019,070 1,019,070 1,024,920 1,024,920 1,024,920 1,024,920
Newfoundland and Labrador 5,850 15,210 16,380 14,040 14,040 14,040 12,870 14,040 14,040 14,040 14,040
Prince Edward Island 1,170 4,680 4,680 4,680 4,680 4,680 3,510 4,680 4,680 4,680 4,680
Nova Scotia 10,530 30,420 30,420 25,740 26,910 25,740 26,910 26,910 26,910 26,910 26,910
New Brunswick 9,360 24,570 24,570 21,060 21,060 22,230 21,060 21,060 21,060 21,060 21,060
Quebec 101,790 271,440 272,610 230,490 230,490 230,490 231,660 231,660 231,660 231,660 231,660
Ontario 174,330 466,830 466,830 396,630 395,460 395,460 396,630 398,970 398,970 400,140 398,970
Manitoba 14,040 42,120 40,950 37,440 37,440 37,440 37,440 37,440 37,440 36,270 37,440
Saskatchewan 12,870 36,270 36,270 31,590 31,590 31,590 31,590 31,590 31,590 31,590 31,590
Alberta 53,820 141,570 140,400 119,340 119,340 119,340 119,340 119,340 119,340 119,340 119,340
British Columbia 60,840 161,460 162,630 138,060 138,060 138,060 138,060 139,230 139,230 139,230 139,230
Yukon 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Northwest Territories 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Nunavut 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Forecasted allocation of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to provinces and territories
Distribution location 8-14 Mar 22-28 Mar 5-11 Apr 19-25 Apr
Total forecasted allocations 466,800 846,000 855,600 1,202,400
Newfoundland and Labrador 6,300 12,000 10,700 15,800
Prince Edward Island 1,700 2,000 3,300 4,900
Nova Scotia 10,200 20,300 20,200 29,800
New Brunswick 8,100 17,000 16,100 23,800
Quebec 96,500 193,600 176,400 261,000
Ontario 160,500 323,200 303,100 448,400
Manitoba 20,500 40,600 28,400 42,000
Saskatchewan 15,200 30,500 24,200 35,800
Alberta 47,600 94,400 91,100 134,800
British Columbia 56,400 112,400 105,900 156,600
Yukon 16,400 0 2,900 3,000
Northwest Territories 16,300 0 4,700 4,700
Nunavut 11,100 0 4,300 4,300
Federal allocation 0 0 64,300 37,500
Forecasted allocation of COVISHIELD Verity/Serum Institute of India (SII) COVID-19 vaccine to provinces and territories
Distribution location 8-14 Mar
Total forecasted allocations 500,000
Newfoundland and Labrador 7,000
Prince Edward Island 2,000
Nova Scotia 13,000
New Brunswick 10,500
Quebec 113,000
Ontario 194,500
Manitoba 18,000
Saskatchewan 15,500
Alberta 58,500
British Columbia 68,000
Yukon 0
Northwest Territories 0
Nunavut 0
Forecasted allocation of AstraZeneca – U.S. COVID-19 vaccine to provinces and territories
These vaccines will only be released to jurisdictions once Health Canada has completed the required regulatory authorization. Timing of deliveries to jurisdictions may therefore change.

Distribution location 29 Mar – 4 Apr
Total forecasted allocations 1,504,200
Newfoundland and Labrador 20,600
Prince Edward Island 6,300
Nova Scotia 38,800
New Brunswick 30,900
Quebec 339,600
Ontario 583,400
Manitoba 54,600
Saskatchewan 46,600
Alberta 175,400
British Columbia 203,800
Yukon 0
Northwest Territories 0
Nunavut 0

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Back to the original question.

I don't think the dividing lines on Covid are quite as political as we might think.

It seems that almost without exception those on the "left" are on board with measures taken, vaccines, economic consequences, and using this event to further an envirnomental/socialist agenda.

But beyond that group, I don't see one monolithic group on the opposite side of the spectrum. Most people I know, and many on here, who would identify as right on most issues, hold a wide range of opinions on covid related issues.

Take oneoff for example. Not trying to put words in his mouth, but on most issues, he could be considered the anti-Chuck of agriville. Yet takes a common sense science based approach to Covid and the vaccines.

I know more people on the right who take a similar position than the extremists.

[Guest]

Well I take it serious but contrary to what some are saying an 85-90 year old still can’t get done here

[dmlfarmer]

When I first posed the question I was asking from a micro perspective. There are a vocal group which went full anti Trudeau over slow delivery and slow approval of vaccines. Now that vaccines are being delivered, those same people are now questioning the rapid approval process and personally refusing the vaccines. That is the hypocrisy that I was questioning. I could see no other reason for such a turn around other than trying to score political points and no one has answered as to why the change in position if not for political posturing.

As far as vaccine hesitancy, there is most definitely a difference in acceptance based of political and religious leanings from a macro standpoint and it is well documented in the US. Tribe is playing a role in acceptance of vaccines hesitancy. To say the left is all for it and the right is not one way or the other is over simplistic.
for example: "In Texas, 61% of white Republicans, and 59% of all Republicans regardless of race, either said they are reluctant to get the vaccine or would refuse it outright, according to the February University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll. Only 25% of Texas Democrats said they were hesitant or would refuse to get a COVID-19 shot, according to the poll." https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-white-republicans-16050176.php https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-white-republicans-16050176.php

[dmlfarmer]

Well I take it serious but contrary to what some are saying an 85-90 year old still can’t get done here

I have no doubt there are areas in every province where vaccines are not reaching people eligible and who want the vaccine. There are lots of holes in the rollout program in every province and people are getting missed who should have received a shot earlier because of booking issues/delivery issues within province/lack or ultra cold storage in case of Pfizer vaccine/lack of staff to administer vaccines/or a provincial focus on delivery to another region city or area. In Manitoba, a recent CBC report found only half of 80+ year old's have received the first shot. It is very unfortunate.

But vaccines are arriving in Canada and being delivered based on population to each province for delivery according to each provinces plan.

And some good news is it was just announced about an hour ago that Pfizer is going to send five million more vaccine doses to Canada in June than it previously planned, and AstraZeneca will ship 4.4 million doses by the end of June.

[furrowtickler]

[fjlip]

China politicized it all a long time ago!

"How Phony Coronavirus “Fear Videos” Were Used as Psychological Weapons to Bring America to Her Knees"

https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/

And our own home grown SOB using the VIRUS China gave us.

"Trudeau’s crazy COVID plan for 2021?"

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/ https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dml, do you care to address my concerns in the 2nd post?
Do you think that the well intentioned efforts of Agstar, Chuck, yourself etc bear any responsibility for hardening the resolve of anyone who doesn't share your world view and socialist agenda?
If you were a healthcare professional responsible for informing the public about the risks of Covid, the mitigation efforts, and the effectiveness of vaccines to the farmer demographic, would you choose somweone who is respected, knowledgeable, polite, has an impecable track record of being non partisan on policy issues?
Or would you choose Mr. Flat earth himself?
As they say, with friends like these, who needs enemies?