43 year old gets stroke.

[dmlfarmer]

DML it isn’t vaccines we are questioning. It is unproven/untested vaccines that we are questioning.

Care to answer the bolded question since forage ran away?

Your reply does not answer my questions. If you want answers to your question, try answering my questions regarding use of products on your farm that are known to be carcinogenic and how you know products like biologicals are safe to use on a farm when there is very limited testing.

BTW, the Covid vaccines approved for use are not untested. Take Pfizer's for example. It has gone through 17 registered trials in 12 countries. It has been tested on 62,388 people. To claim they are unproven/untested is pure BS.

[fjlip]

And LUCKY bastards... NO LIABILITY if it f*cks millions up! That is my elephant in the room, they have no faith in vaxes. AND they used Chinese genome sequence to cook up the Vaxes!
No thanks CCP!

How can people not be suspicious?????

[flea beetle]

Ok sorry dml, approved for use through rigorous testing guidelines.

I do use some of those products, but the difference is they are deemed safe enough for use through the appropriate channels set out by safety standards.

Has the covid vaccine gone through the appropriate channels to get deemed safe for use?

[burnt]

Flea Beetle, and all the others who are questioning the safety of vaccines, I really want to know how about your farming practices. I assume none of you use glyphosate anymore given the questions about its safety. Did you ever use glyphosate? Or did you quit when IARC labeled it as a 2A carcinogenic? Since diesel exhaust is rated as carcinogenic (IARC 1 rating) have you gone back to horses and parked all diesel powered equipment? How long do you wait to use a new to the market pesticide to make sure it is safe or do you not use any pesticides including organic pesticides? Have you ever used biological products on your farm and how did you determine they were safe to apply to food crops given the limited testing of them? Will you ever grow a GMO crop? When and how will you be absolutely sure GMOs are safe?

Your scenarios are completely irrelevant to the topic.

Try again, master deflector!!

[dmlfarmer]

Ok sorry dml, approved for use through rigorous testing guidelines.

I do use some of those products, but the difference is they are deemed safe enough for use through the appropriate channels set out by safety standards.

Has the covid vaccine gone through the appropriate channels to get deemed safe for use?

Testing was done on each vaccine as per protocals established in the past. The testing results were passed on to review agencies in each country which deemed them safe for emergency use. Some countries review agencies have a stricter standard than others. It was the reason Canada was weeks behind approval of Pfizer and Moderna compared to the US and why Australia and New Zealand for example were even slower in approval. After reviewing the research and testing data Health Canada deemed each of the currently approved vaccines safe and effective.

[burnt]

Testing was done on each vaccine as per protocals established in the past. The testing results were passed on to review agencies in each country which deemed them safe for emergency use. Some countries review agencies have a stricter standard than others. It was the reason Canada was weeks behind approval of Pfizer and Moderna compared to the US and why Australia and New Zealand for example were even slower in approval. After reviewing the research and testing data Health Canada deemed each of the currently approved vaccines safe and effective.

You are either badly uninformed about the regular testing protocol, or a remorseless liar.

Either way, your credibility is shot.

[flea beetle]

Well if safe enough for emergency use is good enough for you with a waiver of liability, go ahead and get the jab. But it isn’t for me.

[flea beetle]

Still waiting on that answer to the bolded question above.

[jazz]

Well if safe enough for emergency use is good enough for you with a waiver of liability, go ahead and get the jab. But it isn’t for me.

As I said before, no drug or medical therapy has ever been given widespread emergency authorization while still in a phase 2 trial stage. The phase 3 trial runs until August 2023.

Now you can make the argument this was a dire emergency. Sure I guess, but the numbers sure dont bear that our when heart disease and cancer deaths still outstripped covid and there are literally hundreds of therapies for those deadly diseases still stuck in phase 3 trials.

I dont make GMO canola or glyphosate so basically I am just the nurse administering the technology. Not up to me to make sure its safe. Someone elses problem. People have non GMO or organic choices if they want and I doubt there will ever be a GMO passport issued. Besides any snakeoil salesmen that show up on my farm with something unproven are shown the door pretty fast.

[jazz]

The age limit is down to 40 in Ontario meaning almost the entire HoC can get it. lets see if Trudeau comes out of his spider hole to roll up his sleeves.

[fjlip]

The age limit is down to 40 in Ontario meaning almost the entire HoC can get it. lets see if Trudeau comes out of his spider hole to roll up his sleeves.

NEVER ever would I believe that Son of a B*tch took anything in that 2" needle! Or maybe a good wallop of heroine. Lies, TV propaganda, virtue signal for the SHEEP!

[Partners]

Is this why all still have to wear a mask?
How many more got a shot of nothing?

[sumdumguy]

I don’t really feel threatened by a cold or the flu, and sure would be squeamish watching and wondering if this experiment sours. I’m not one to smell every fart that flies by me. 🐎✅ Have smelled a few but not all.

[biglentil]

2 yr Died in Phizer Vaccine test. Yuk

[dmlfarmer]

You are either badly uninformed about the regular testing protocol, or a remorseless liar.

Either way, your credibility is shot.

As bad as yours?

There is still Phase 1 testing with similar numbers of people. There is still phase 2 testing with similar numbers of people. There is still phase 3 testing, however instead of variable numbers of volunteers, which ranged from a thousand to tens of thousands the FDA asked for 30,000. Changes that were made at the testing stage dealt with monitoring and recording of the trials. Because of the transmissibility of Covid remote monitoring of the trial was allowed. Another change allowed was letting a company to begin the next phase of testing before the previous phase was completed. This does not mean the protocol was skipped; simply the time frame was shortened. The biggest change was allowing companies to submit data as it was collected to health agencies until waiting until testing to be completed and submitting the entire package to be submitted at once. But that does not change the data, only the reporting of it.

These changes were instituted under the direction of Trump's Warp Speed in order to get the vaccines as quickly as possible. But there is still the same amount of testing on people, and the same oversight by Health Agencies in each country before the vaccines are approved.

Here is how Warp Speed tightened the timeline.
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So why don't you tell us how what I claim is wrong and where the protocals re actual testing have changed if you want to have any credibility